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re: Is Tony Spell a crazy Christian?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:09 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:09 pm to beerJeep
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No. I just see Baptist for what they are. Scum arse hypocrite fricks who try to act holier than thou.
Not quite...I was raised Baptist day 1. 47 now. I have NEVER been taught or espoused that attitude of which you refer.
I have always been taught to follow Jesus as best as possible. I try. I do tend to have a potty mouth on occasion. I admit it and I don't look down on anyone unless they are trying to be an a-hole. I get down where the goats graze to try to be able to reach folks who would never respond favorably to some who is as you describe.
You seem to have an unhealthy level of venom reserved for Baptists in particular so I am sure there is more of a back story but your experience with Baptists and mine are on two different planes. However I'm not going to deny that there are bad apples in the lot. Unfortunately it sounds as if you encountered a few along the way
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 9:10 pm
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:09 pm to Crimson1st
For the sake of this conversation don’t equate Christian doctrinal beliefs with the act of conversion.
The don’t acknowledge three distinct persons of the Trinity, but ONE God who cannot be both Spirit and Son simultaneously.
So they are baptized in the name of Jesus only, because they don’t believe that the Father and Spirit co exist with him. There is no God head.
According to Orthodox Christian conversion, the Father elects, the Son propotiates (removes the stain of sin), and the Spirit regenerates our hearts so that we can believe...and then sustains us.
They can’t possibly believe in Biblical conversion, though God Can concert them all the same.
The don’t acknowledge three distinct persons of the Trinity, but ONE God who cannot be both Spirit and Son simultaneously.
So they are baptized in the name of Jesus only, because they don’t believe that the Father and Spirit co exist with him. There is no God head.
According to Orthodox Christian conversion, the Father elects, the Son propotiates (removes the stain of sin), and the Spirit regenerates our hearts so that we can believe...and then sustains us.
They can’t possibly believe in Biblical conversion, though God Can concert them all the same.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:11 pm to bayoubengals88
You can say they are not Trinitarian Christians, but they are Christians.
I agree they are heresies but they are still Christians.
I agree they are heresies but they are still Christians.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:23 pm to OleWar
If a heretic is someone who is barred from Christianity then I cannot make sense of your logic.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:34 pm to arcalades
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it doesn't say anything about one having to believe in the Spirit.
Dafaq? What kind of bible you read baw?
Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:36 pm to bayoubengals88
I've posted about this a bit before.
One of my friends from childhood attends this church. We were both born and raised Catholic (her parents are actually pretty devout). She's a super sweet, soft spoken girl. She met a her husband when we were in college. They all get married super early (they don't approve of premarital sex), and they got married when we were 19. She converted sometime back then. Before they were married for sure.
They are divorced now, but she is still close with his family and attends the church with them. His family was always so nice to me and our other friends, welcoming, never judgmental. My friend will still have a mimosa when we get together, things like that. His family members dress in the modest attire, but they get their hair/nails/tan done.. different from most of the others in the church.
When this drama these past few weeks started coming out, my friend and the family were quiet on social media. I figured they were questioning their church and the way this is being handled. But the flood gates flew open when the pastor was arrested and they're full blown behind him.
Combined with some other things the church has been caught doing that hit too close to home as far as my career goes.. I guess it is a good thing my friend and I only see each other like 1-2x a year (when the group gets together). I would be quite upset if we were still close.
One of my friends from childhood attends this church. We were both born and raised Catholic (her parents are actually pretty devout). She's a super sweet, soft spoken girl. She met a her husband when we were in college. They all get married super early (they don't approve of premarital sex), and they got married when we were 19. She converted sometime back then. Before they were married for sure.
They are divorced now, but she is still close with his family and attends the church with them. His family was always so nice to me and our other friends, welcoming, never judgmental. My friend will still have a mimosa when we get together, things like that. His family members dress in the modest attire, but they get their hair/nails/tan done.. different from most of the others in the church.
When this drama these past few weeks started coming out, my friend and the family were quiet on social media. I figured they were questioning their church and the way this is being handled. But the flood gates flew open when the pastor was arrested and they're full blown behind him.
Combined with some other things the church has been caught doing that hit too close to home as far as my career goes.. I guess it is a good thing my friend and I only see each other like 1-2x a year (when the group gets together). I would be quite upset if we were still close.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:46 pm to bayoubengals88
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If a heretic is someone who is barred from Christianity then I cannot make sense of your logic.
Because there is a slew of vocabulary that accurately represents what someone is. Schismatic, Heretic, Apostate, Infidel, Pagan and I am probably missing a few.
These people believe in Christ just not the Trinity. This makes them a heresy.
And who is doing the barring?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 9:48 pm to bayoubengals88
Wait. They don’t fall out when they get filled with the holy spirit?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:08 pm to bayoubengals88
Here's the deal with this guy...he's the only "Christian"(in light of the info,I'm not sure what to call him) who is standing up for Christian's right to worship. JBE has literally put churches in the same category as nail salons but you can go to a packed Lowes or Home Depot and Spell is the only guy who points out the hypocrisy? There has to be someone better out there
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:14 pm to LouisianaLady
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They are divorced now
....Saw that coming
Not this....
but she is still close with his family and attends the church with them.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:15 pm to jonboy
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but you can go to a packed Lowes or Home Depot
I don’t go to Lowe’s or Home Depot often....
What aisle is the pews packed full of people standing right next to each other at?
Next to garden section?
Or over by where the appliances are?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:20 pm to lsunurse
Also, can you buy a virtual hammer or light bulb?
It seems that listening to a sermon online is sufficient when necessary.
It seems that listening to a sermon online is sufficient when necessary.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:23 pm to bayoubengals88
I don’t exactly disagree with you on every point here. However, what is “the name” of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit??
Posted on 4/27/20 at 10:27 pm to bayoubengals88
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It seems that listening to a sermon online is sufficient when necessary.
No. It is absolutely not.
Work online sucks.
Socialization online like this sucks.
Worshipping online sucks. Worshiping online should be a heresy.
I was raised Catholic and have been seriously considering converting to Eastern Orthodox and have been attending their liturgies.
If this is the only Christian Church open in South Louisiana, I might start showing up.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 11:22 pm to bayoubengals88
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This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 2:10 am
Posted on 4/27/20 at 11:44 pm to Kolbysfan
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Women long hair / skirts / no make up etc. They believe / interpret various scriptures from the New Testament which supports these "Standards".
My friend's in-laws were always very open and we got close enough that they'd answer questions we had. When I asked about the hair/makeup/jewelry thing, their reply didn't make sense to me.
quote:
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
The above quote makes complete sense... if they followed it as it is stated. But they don't.
1. They do not wear makeup, but they go to the tanning bed/use self tanner.
2. They do not wear jewelry, but they wear fancy feathers and barrettes on their hair when they pull it up.
3. They do not cut their hair, but they dye it, braid it, style it, and even use heat products like curling irons on it.
4. They do not wear colored nail polish, but they get artificial nails put on at the salon in the "french manicure" style (white painted tip).
5. The only jewelry allowed is a wedding ring and a watch - a loophole because they serve a purpose outside of aesthetics. So these people are rocking MASSIVE diamonds. Same for things like sunglasses. Huge trendy sunglasses because of the purpose they serve.
If the answer would just be that they prefer to dress modestly, I'd get it. But they will argue the makeup/jewelry stuff while doing the above.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 11:54 pm to LouisianaLady
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LouisianaLady
I agree with you. My wife also grew up UPC. She would regularly have these debates with her friends. In my opinion, they have interpreted scriptures as a means of suppression for women. "Standards" as a whole are directed towards women. In many ways I see parallel's with conservative Muslims. I lived in Egypt and Malaysia for a total of 4 years, predominately Muslim. Now with that said, modern Muslims, much like modern Pentecostals / Apostolics are moving away from these type of "Standards". Instead of just doing what the preacher says they are asking questions. Asking for clarity. In the past people would just blindly follow by saying there eyes have been opened. There is a specific phrase but it slips my mind.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 5:54 am to bayoubengals88
I don’t disagree with you at all, he’s a goober. I do need for you to know that not all Pentecostals are brain washed cultists. It does say in Acts 2:38 to be baptized in the name of Jesus. I go back and forth a lot with family members, yes I was Pentecostal. I also spend a lot of time with Catholic friends and we delve into the topic. My contention is that Jesus himself looked at Peter and said “ on this rock I will build my church” and he didn’t start the Pentecostal church, did he?
Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:21 am to bayoubengals88
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The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God”
Well, Christians don’t serve 3 gods, but 1 God. We are monotheistic. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. I don’t see any inconsistency in doctrine here.
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When they baptize, they don’t baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit, but only in the name of Jesus. Such is not a Christian baptism.
They get this from Acts 19;1-7
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It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether [a]there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized [b]in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7 There were in all about twelve men.
Also found in Acts 2:38
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Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 7:30 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 7:40 am to bayoubengals88
He's not crazy. In fact, he's playing this perfectly. He's being made into a martyr, and his followers are going to throw even more money and support his way. And that's not even considering the national exposure he's getting. He'll be putting that call in to Gulfstream shortly.
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