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Is There More Flooding Caused By Growth & Infrastructure?
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:42 am
Between the flood in 2016, the flooding a few months ago, etc. Is this caused by outside factors (other than it raining a lot).
Where I live my street rarely flooded. When it did, it was because it rained really hard for a relatively long time and even then as soon as it slacked up any, it drained pretty quick.
Right outside of my neighborhood, which use to be soybean fields is now a new neighborhood being built. Ever since they started that project, my street seems to get more high water in certain spots that was never a problem in the past.
Behind my house use to be a field that led into a wooded area. Someone bought the land behind my house and built individual apartments (the first one built is a duplex, but then the guy started building individual apartments thats like small homes). Ever since they were built, I get water in my backyard. When it was an empty field water would never back up.
So thinking about that happening on a larger scale, how big of a factor is new construction and infrastructure contributing to flooding?
Of course you have people who think the weather "is getting worse" because its flooding in places it never has.. And when it comes to climate change, the climate has always changed. That's a natural process (the ice age is a good example), but I don't think things have changed that much that all of a sudden it is causing more "catastrophe", then again I am not a scientist.
But for the civil engineers, people in the environmental field, etc.. Are "we" underestimating the impact new construction and infrastructure growth is having on existing areas?
Where I live my street rarely flooded. When it did, it was because it rained really hard for a relatively long time and even then as soon as it slacked up any, it drained pretty quick.
Right outside of my neighborhood, which use to be soybean fields is now a new neighborhood being built. Ever since they started that project, my street seems to get more high water in certain spots that was never a problem in the past.
Behind my house use to be a field that led into a wooded area. Someone bought the land behind my house and built individual apartments (the first one built is a duplex, but then the guy started building individual apartments thats like small homes). Ever since they were built, I get water in my backyard. When it was an empty field water would never back up.
So thinking about that happening on a larger scale, how big of a factor is new construction and infrastructure contributing to flooding?
Of course you have people who think the weather "is getting worse" because its flooding in places it never has.. And when it comes to climate change, the climate has always changed. That's a natural process (the ice age is a good example), but I don't think things have changed that much that all of a sudden it is causing more "catastrophe", then again I am not a scientist.
But for the civil engineers, people in the environmental field, etc.. Are "we" underestimating the impact new construction and infrastructure growth is having on existing areas?
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Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:42 am to OweO
Yes. More concrete means less open land to suck up water
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:43 am to OweO
“The most expensive storm ever!!”
More money in the area than ever
More money in the area than ever
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:45 am to OweO
More statues need to go obviously
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:47 am to OweO
quote:
And when it comes to climate change, the climate has always changed. That's a natural process (the ice age is a good example),
Literally no one with any knowledge has ever claimed that our climate is static. People really need to stop saying this.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:48 am to Cosmo
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Yes. More concrete means less open land to suck up water
/thread
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:49 am to OweO
Remove all the concrete in BR and NOLA. Problem solved.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:51 am to OweO
The short answer is, yes. As cosmo said, more concrete, less places that the water can go.
The other part of the problem is that municipalities rarely maintain the cleanliness of the drain lines. While Jefferson P has 1 or 2 vacuum trucks, it is almost impossible to maintain the entire parish worth of drain lines.
Maintenance, and crappy installation by crappy contractors is the other part of the problem.
The other part of the problem is that municipalities rarely maintain the cleanliness of the drain lines. While Jefferson P has 1 or 2 vacuum trucks, it is almost impossible to maintain the entire parish worth of drain lines.
Maintenance, and crappy installation by crappy contractors is the other part of the problem.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:51 am to OweO
quote:
But for the civil engineers, people in the environmental field, etc.. Are "we" underestimating the impact new construction and infrastructure growth is having on existing areas?
No. Not anymore.
quote:
Of course you have people who think the weather "is getting worse" because its flooding in places it never has.. And when it comes to climate change, the climate has always changed. That's a natural process (the ice age is a good example), but I don't think things have changed that much that all of a sudden it is causing more "catastrophe", then again I am not a scientist.
frick you're dumb.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:52 am to OweO
OweO that was actually a theory I developed a couple weeks after the floods.
But people should lend a hand in clearing culverts and storm water drains every bit helps
But people should lend a hand in clearing culverts and storm water drains every bit helps
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:03 am to OweO
Part of it is that there is more impermeable pavements than before and another part of it is more utilities tying into a drainage system that is now drastically undersized for the new amount of volume it receives.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:03 am to Cosmo
Yeah I understand that, but what about drainage systems?
For example, when a new neighborhood is being built, what do they do for drainage.
I am using the area around my house as an example. The area behind myself where apartments were built, there was nothing done in terms of drainage, but it has one road and ten individual apartments and one duplex. There is a small ditch right behind my fence that leads to a much bigger ditch so the area in my backyard that gets higher than it use to (its not a threat to getting in my house are anything) is contributed to the building of those apartments AND in other areas because the big ditch fills up a lot faster.
But I guess what I am asking is.. Lets say a new neighborhood is about to be built, what can be done to create a better drainage system and should their be codes that require some sort of drainage system to be installed (for example.. in certain areas have ditches that are under the neighborhoods or have an a small lake.. well that starts off as a huge hole that all the water in the neighborhood drains to).
For example, when a new neighborhood is being built, what do they do for drainage.
I am using the area around my house as an example. The area behind myself where apartments were built, there was nothing done in terms of drainage, but it has one road and ten individual apartments and one duplex. There is a small ditch right behind my fence that leads to a much bigger ditch so the area in my backyard that gets higher than it use to (its not a threat to getting in my house are anything) is contributed to the building of those apartments AND in other areas because the big ditch fills up a lot faster.
But I guess what I am asking is.. Lets say a new neighborhood is about to be built, what can be done to create a better drainage system and should their be codes that require some sort of drainage system to be installed (for example.. in certain areas have ditches that are under the neighborhoods or have an a small lake.. well that starts off as a huge hole that all the water in the neighborhood drains to).
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:15 am to Salmon
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frick you're dumb.
Why does that make me dumb? I said I am not a scientist or in any position to make an educated theory of what is going on with our climate or "global warming".. Whatever. It has become a political topic in which people dumber than I am give their opinion.. I am simply saying I don't know enough to really factor it into my opinion.
With that said, I do know there is climate change, there are people who think its all "a bunch of bullshite", but I am saying that's about as far as my knowledge goes. I know there is climate change, whether it is gradual, whether it is something that is a big problem in which humans have made worse, etc.. I don't know. Not sure why this makes me dumb, but okay.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:26 am to OweO
Do you live under a rock?
Over development and piss poor planning is the leading cause of most flooding issues especially in LA where so much of the state is wetlands and drainage.
Humans suck
Over development and piss poor planning is the leading cause of most flooding issues especially in LA where so much of the state is wetlands and drainage.
Humans suck
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:27 am to OweO
quote:
More Flooding Caused By
Government planning/intervention....see the Everglades & Lake Okeechobee
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:30 am to OweO
for a flash flood, yes, development will effect the area with respect to flooding. Flash flooding is heavy rainfall in a very short time, that usually drains away shortly after the rain subsides.
with back water flooding, not so much since back water flooding is a result of rain/water over a region.
EDIT: 2016 was not due to development. we got so much water in the region, the rivers could not handle it. this was back water floodingwhat we had in BR a number of weeks back is a flash flood event.
with back water flooding, not so much since back water flooding is a result of rain/water over a region.
EDIT: 2016 was not due to development. we got so much water in the region, the rivers could not handle it. this was back water floodingwhat we had in BR a number of weeks back is a flash flood event.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:33 am to OweO
More concrete and more roads cut natural drainage. Elevating land to build roads, homes and developments sheds water onto adjacent properties that may have never had a water problem and now flood.
Yes development, drainage and changing where water stands and where water flows to is what is causing much of the problems caused by rain. It has always rained, where the water goes and how it gets there continues to evolve with development.
Yes development, drainage and changing where water stands and where water flows to is what is causing much of the problems caused by rain. It has always rained, where the water goes and how it gets there continues to evolve with development.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:33 am to OweO
Yes
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:34 am to OweO
Engineers continue to say to city council members that there is a net zero effect in drainage due to development. It is all a lie. You can't continue with fill mitigation without having some negative impact to drainage of surrounding properties.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 10:35 am
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