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re: Is there already a cure for cancer?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:16 pm to stout
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:16 pm to stout
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Jimmy Carter is 92 and successfully survived a cancer scare
Yeah, Im ready for that fricker to be dead. Worst president (seriously) ever. My first home loan in 1982 was 11% thanks to that a-hole.
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Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:16 pm to SCLibertarian
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Every day insurance companies refuse covering necessary treatment for life threatening illnesses,
A pretty big oversimplification. There are not infinite resources. For many industries (all?) as you increase output marginal cost will approach infinity. As such there has to be a rationing device to decide how resources are distributed. You can't save all lives. Maybe this sounds "evil" to you, but it is a simple fact of reality. Many if not most industries at least implicitly assign a monetary value to human life.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:19 pm to ctiger69
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There is not a cure for the common cold. I doubt they ever come up with a cure for cancer. Just improved treatments for the symptoms and new ways to slow cancer from growing/spreading.
I agree with this. My dad has been fighting Small Cell Lung Cancer for 19 months since his diagnoses of stage 3B. The average expectancy at that point is usually 3-6 months. A lot him beating the average by this much is the proper treatments and him responding well to them.
He missed the chance to partake in a promising clinical trial drug due to the tumors spreading but by all accounts the drug is a vast improvement over chemo and gives people a better quality of life while they fight vs chemo and radiation.
There will never be a cure because there are too many types and but people are living longer and longer with the disease.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:21 pm to High C
3rd page and no mention of CBD oil. Not a cure per say, but can be a great treatment option.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:23 pm to High C
"Cancer" is a pretty meaningless word clinically. Cancer is not a disease. It's a word used to describe hundreds of diseases which affect different parts of the body. Talking about "A cure for cancer" is like talking about a cure for your car breaking down. If your car won't run, it could be due to any of the various systems/parts in the car. And once you have it isolated to say the electrical system, you still need to determine if it's a bad battery, blown fuse, bad alternator, etc. Now, that analogy is far from perfect, but you get the picture. There is no one thing that can fix all cars that won't start. Just like there is no way that a single drug/treatment/etc can cure "cancer".
There are many cures for cancer today. Some are surgical, some are pharmaceutical, some are radiological. Each intervention is designed for a specific type of cancer. And many of them work very well.
Cancer sucks. But it is becoming more treatable every passing year. Many people are alive today that would have died a decade ago. Some are cancer free and some are able to live extended lives with cancer managing it like a chronic disease.
There are many cures for cancer today. Some are surgical, some are pharmaceutical, some are radiological. Each intervention is designed for a specific type of cancer. And many of them work very well.
Cancer sucks. But it is becoming more treatable every passing year. Many people are alive today that would have died a decade ago. Some are cancer free and some are able to live extended lives with cancer managing it like a chronic disease.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:30 pm to BR Tiger
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Cancer sucks. But it is becoming more treatable every passing year. Many people are alive today that would have died a decade ago. Some are cancer free and some are able to live extended lives with cancer managing it like a chronic disease.
Your entire post was good. Every 5 years if you look back and see how "cancer" treatments were 5 years before it truly is amazing. I understand all cancer is not treated the same but would be nice once we advance enough to have more efficient detection systems in place. Hopefully in the next few decades simple blood work would be able to show any cancer and then you can go through the different screenings to figure out where it's at. Some cancers you can do that with but not all.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:35 pm to Pavoloco83
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Yeah, Im ready for that fricker to be dead. Worst president (seriously) ever. My first home loan in 1982 was 11% thanks to that a-hole.
Wow, we've gotten to wishing death on a person in a cancer thread because we didn't like our house note?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:37 pm to AZTarheeel
I either listened to a piece or read an article about the issue to which he is referring. I remember it saying that most doctors and research companies themselves wouldn't want desperate patients to have access to many experimental drugs. That it would actually cost more lives in the long run and damage the testing for drugs with potential. Wish I could remember the details better to articulate, but it's definitely one of those issues that gets misrepresented by the public. People want to say that they don't understand why dying people can't just have access to these experimental drugs. They blame it on bureaucratic red tape, but there is more to it than that.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:38 pm to BR Tiger
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"Cancer" is a pretty meaningless word clinically. Cancer is not a disease. It's a word used to describe hundreds of diseases which affect different parts of the body. Talking about "A cure for cancer" is like talking about a cure for your car breaking down. If your car won't run, it could be due to any of the various systems/parts in the car. And once you have it isolated to say the electrical system, you still need to determine if it's a bad battery, blown fuse, bad alternator, etc. Now, that analogy is far from perfect, but you get the picture. There is no one thing that can fix all cars that won't start. Just like there is no way that a single drug/treatment/etc can cure "cancer".
"finding a cure for cancer" is a phrase coined to pad the pockets of giant non profit organizations that make some people extremely wealthy. Your post is spot on.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:42 pm to High C
Cancer is a broad term. Other than the common information, I don't know much about the different types of cancer, but I would think it would not be as simple as "a cure for cancer". In other words, they could have a cure or a better way to treat lung cancer than they do liver cancer (just an example).
If there was a cure, I would imagine the FDA would be the only ones who would stop the company from using their product. While you might think "there is a lot of money in cancer, there is no interest in finding a cure", there would be a lot of money for the company that has a cure for it.. I am assuming.
If there was a cure, I would imagine the FDA would be the only ones who would stop the company from using their product. While you might think "there is a lot of money in cancer, there is no interest in finding a cure", there would be a lot of money for the company that has a cure for it.. I am assuming.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:42 pm to High C
Bleach kills cancer cells but you can't pump it in someone's veins. Wait, no, that's AIDS. Bleach kills AIDS.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:43 pm to High C
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Even then, there were many people who believed that there was already a cure, but there was too much money to be made in treatment and research for it to be made available.
People who think this don't understand what cancer is. "Cancer" is a very general term for a genetic mutation. There are thousands of types of cancer, each involving different cell types and pathophysiologies. There's not going to just be one "cure" for all cancer.
The thing that makes all cancers difficult to treat is that it's caused by your own body creating cells that are often almost identical to normal cells, so it's extremely difficult to target those cells without also damaging your normal ones
Eta: and now that I've read the thread I see that other people have pointed out the same thing
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:45 pm to UF
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Wait, no, that's AIDS. Bleach kills AIDS.
Baton Rouge needs to start putting bleach in its water.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:52 pm to High C
Thor Eckman has the answers. We just need to listen to him.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:00 pm to UF
On a serious note, cancer research is a mess. There's a huge amount of waste in it each year. Also, there is very little organization to it. You can find consensus that there are several stages to cancer but you can't find consensus as to their order and mechanisms that link them together. Every researcher implicitly adopts a view on these stages and their ordering. Such things should be embedded within manuscripts. Also, the quality of research design and statistical analysis is woefully inadequate in all areas of science right now. Additionally, fraud has become an issue because in academia it's "publish or perish" and there are shady things people do to get published, and especially to get published in the biggest journals.
Cancer researcher retracts mult articles When this stuff happens, it is incredibly difficult and time consuming to set the record straight. If the public understood some of the problems in biomed research, they'd question the hell out of everything their doctors say and do, as well as NIH funding and so forth.
Bottom line is that we simply are not making progress commensurate with our technology, funding, and number of manhours spent.
Cancer researcher retracts mult articles When this stuff happens, it is incredibly difficult and time consuming to set the record straight. If the public understood some of the problems in biomed research, they'd question the hell out of everything their doctors say and do, as well as NIH funding and so forth.
Bottom line is that we simply are not making progress commensurate with our technology, funding, and number of manhours spent.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:09 pm to airfernando
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That's the entire purpose of the catalytic converter.
People think an Oxygen sensor is really needed on a vehicle. Oxygen is a good thing, except for oil companies.
I was getting 15 mpg with cats and sensor, now I get 17-18 mpg with no cats, no sensor, and only glass paks
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:48 pm to airfernando
quote:Wow, that's a lot of ignorance.
All vehicles with a "computer" in them are made to burn extra gas. That's the entire purpose of the catalytic converter.
People think an Oxygen sensor is really needed on a vehicle. Oxygen is a good thing, except for oil companies.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:53 pm to High C
My dad was pretty high up on the commercial side of a mid sized Pharma company specializing in Oncology. He said on numerous occasions that there is no incentive to do R&D for a cure when they make more with treatments.
Many people say a cure is priceless and can be charged a really high price to incent the R&D dollars. However, if you look at what is happening in pharma today, high priced drugs/companies are getting destroyed by public press and government scrutiny.
Many people say a cure is priceless and can be charged a really high price to incent the R&D dollars. However, if you look at what is happening in pharma today, high priced drugs/companies are getting destroyed by public press and government scrutiny.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:03 pm to NolaGirl11
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My dad was pretty high up on the commercial side of a mid sized Pharma company specializing in Oncology. He said on numerous occasions that there is no incentive to do R&D for a cure when they make more with treatments.
I realize that this is one individual, but that's horse's mouth stuff right there.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:07 pm to High C
Pour some tussin on it
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