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re: Is there a backup for the Old River control structure?
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:14 am to goofball
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:14 am to goofball
quote:considering this would be much more important, as important as those bridges and highways probably are, yes.
We can't even get a fricking bridge or a highway built. You think they'd spend billions of dollars dredging the lower Mississippi and building a huge new control structure?
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:16 am to goofball
When the ORCS blows the COE won’t be able to catch and re divert the river. The river may blow through Widow Graham Bend . A few miles North of ORCS
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:17 am to goofball
There's a good reddit post where a professor talks about that being the easiest, most detrimental terrorist attack they could do to our country. It'd pretty much make the Mississippi and NOLA useless for a time being Destroying the country's economy and impeding the transportation of goods for months to years. Pretty interesting stuff.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:25 am to The Boat
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It would break during a high water level but they’d wait for the water level to go down and rebuild it like they built it the first time.
It's not that simple. It would take decades to regain the original channel, and by then it might not be worth it as things would have adjusted to the new conditions.
Imagine trying to close up the river in Baton Rouge at current low water levels. That's what they'd be up against.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:37 am to Bigfishchoupique
And that's not "worst case" scenario.
Most people don't know why everything south of Memphis isn't part of Mexico today:
It is a matter of record that Hernando Desoto, former Lieutenant to Cortez and Pizarro, camped on the Mississippi River bank at a site in what is now Tunica County, Mississippi, probably during March of 1543. There he witnessed a flood that did not peak for 40 days and he saw an immense expanse of water that he estimated was about 60 miles wide (Harrison, 1961, pp 51, 52). In his posthumous report to the Spanish King , this senior Conquistador and daring explorer undoubtedly advised his ruler that all the land to the southwest was the Mississippi River and that included all the land in the flood plain south of Tunica (or, say, Memphis). Such a report by a trusted and senior commander undoubtedly cooled the interest of the Spanish throne in conquering , and taking over, the flood-prone land described by Desoto. This shift in interest enabled the French, about 150 years later, to explore the lower Mississippi and, in 1699, to claim for the French Crown the area from its mouth to the latitude of Old River. The French Settlement, particularly the settlement of New Orleans, was flooded in 1718, even while the first levees were being built by Le Blond de la Tour.
From "If the Old River Control Structure Fails"
Most people don't know why everything south of Memphis isn't part of Mexico today:
It is a matter of record that Hernando Desoto, former Lieutenant to Cortez and Pizarro, camped on the Mississippi River bank at a site in what is now Tunica County, Mississippi, probably during March of 1543. There he witnessed a flood that did not peak for 40 days and he saw an immense expanse of water that he estimated was about 60 miles wide (Harrison, 1961, pp 51, 52). In his posthumous report to the Spanish King , this senior Conquistador and daring explorer undoubtedly advised his ruler that all the land to the southwest was the Mississippi River and that included all the land in the flood plain south of Tunica (or, say, Memphis). Such a report by a trusted and senior commander undoubtedly cooled the interest of the Spanish throne in conquering , and taking over, the flood-prone land described by Desoto. This shift in interest enabled the French, about 150 years later, to explore the lower Mississippi and, in 1699, to claim for the French Crown the area from its mouth to the latitude of Old River. The French Settlement, particularly the settlement of New Orleans, was flooded in 1718, even while the first levees were being built by Le Blond de la Tour.
From "If the Old River Control Structure Fails"
Posted on 2/14/22 at 9:51 am to goofball
This is the United States. We don't do backups. We wait till crap breaks and then spend 10x as much on an emergency fix.
We have the engineering capability to rebuild ORCS but it's going to take time and money... a while lot of both. Not to mention the money involved in the destruction of areas along the Atchafalaya, and the damages due to a reduction of water for communities along the MS... many of whom get their drinking water out of the river.
We have the engineering capability to rebuild ORCS but it's going to take time and money... a while lot of both. Not to mention the money involved in the destruction of areas along the Atchafalaya, and the damages due to a reduction of water for communities along the MS... many of whom get their drinking water out of the river.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:01 am to goofball
Water up north would spill out and cause major floods in Arkansas, Mississippi, etc before it was enough coming down to overwhelm the levees, ORCS, and the spillways. Even with really high snow melts they barely have to open the spillways up.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:05 am to LSUFanHouston
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This is the United States. We don't do backups.
Uh. The ORCS is the backup.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:10 am to Btrtigerfan
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I agree with it breaking during a high water event. I would love to see a model of this happening.
There's a paper LSU put out in the early 80s studying what would happen if a 73 evet happened again and it failed. It's floating around on the interwebs.
No bueno.
To start, I10 and US 190 would be wiped out, as well as a shitload of important pipeline and infrastructure.
In addition to the flooding of Morgan City (as well as a number of other places in between), you would have an issue of drinking water for NO and other communities that use the river for drinking water.
It would require a shutdown of River Bend as the water would become too saline (and would also frick with most of the plants downstream that use river water to cool processes).
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:11 am to BorrisMart
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I know I was just being a dick.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:14 am to BeepNode
Hubris has caused many issues along the river. Any number of things could cause a failure. Rogue barges, shitty maintenance, operator error, etc.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:15 am to udtiger
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:19 am to BeepNode
The river channel is silting in downstream of the channel between ORCS and Baton Rouge. They are constantly "improving the flow" for run off up north, meaning more water, faster. The downstream spillways won't save the ORCS. It's just a matter of time.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 10:26 am to sec13rowBBseat28
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You need to go visit this place. It worth the trip if you’re interested in that kind of stuff. There’s also a virtual tour on the website.
LSU Center for River Studies
If you want to go old school, one can visit the Mississippi River Basin Model. It was all overgrown the time I went, but supposedly it's being fixed up some.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:22 am to BeepNode
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Uh. The ORCS is the backup.
I think ORCS has become a critical part of the Lower MS River Infrastructure. I don't think it's a backup. It's an every day use piece of civil works.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:23 am to C9
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If The Old River Control Structure Fails
Has anyone updated this? It's 42 years old.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:25 am to goofball
I fricking love these threads 
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:31 am to goofball
It’s never going to fail. But we will always have these threads because people can just say “we can’t control nature it will happen eventually.”
It won’t.
It won’t.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:34 am to PhiTiger1764
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It’s never going to fail. But we will always have these threads because people can just say “we can’t control nature it will happen eventually.” It won’t.
Yep! I agree, the CoE gets everything right and everything they build lasts forever.
Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:41 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:everything wears/breaks at some point. its life. im sure they upkeep it and do whats necessary to keep it running but at some point it will cease to work. hopefully theres enough warning for them to have something in place to fix it but there's not telling.
It’s never going to fail. But we will always have these threads because people can just say “we can’t control nature it will happen eventually.”
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