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re: Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:46 pm to jnethe1
Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:46 pm to jnethe1
quote:
Well what causes poverty?
Bad decisions
Why are people still in poverty?
Keep making bad decisions
Why?
Because government rewards them and punishes those who make correct decisions
low IQ post alert
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 2:58 pm to jnethe1
quote:
Do you think that Tom Brady is lucky?
No. Spin off. Having good looks is pretty lucky. Being good looking gets you way more opportunities than your average joe, and mostly, the ugly ones.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:05 pm to jnethe1
quote:
Well what causes poverty?
Bad decisions
Why are people still in poverty?
Keep making bad decisions
Why?
Because government rewards them and punishes those who make correct decisions
You need to read a few books on how our economy works.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:46 pm to Darth_Vader
Darth, do you realize murder rates in the US increased by more than 50% in the 20s? Prohibition caused crime to rapidly increase.
Then you would have to look at the amount of people who lived in rural areas vs the amount of people in cities. You really didn't have suburban areas yet.
When you are talking about the economy, social problems, etc of today, when you say past.. It is assumed that we are talking about post-WWII.
Right after WWII, the foundation of how we live today started to be built. Pre-WWII people either lived in the city or in rural areas. The interstate system completely shifted the way people lived. In the 50s suburban areas were established, the economy started to depend a lot more on retail. With home appliances suddenly becoming available, as people bought homes (in the suburbs) then they purchased washers, dryers, refrigerators, stoves, etc.. And the increase in sales boosted the companies that made them.
Then when you get into social problems, there are certain problems that will exist everywhere, but in the US, the 1960s laid the foundation of the social problems we see today. In fact, the Vietnam war played a big factor.
People came home addicted to heroin.. It messed up a lot of people. Then you had all the hippies protesting the war (which looking at it from someone born after the Vietnam war, I think the US government was stupid for getting involved and they are to blame for problems that was created as a result). And the hippies used a lot of LSD, which has a long term impact on people.. It can really frick someone up mentally.
This is where I think a lot of problems today come from.
During the 60s, drug use rapidly increased. You had babies being born to heroin addicts, parents under the influence of LSD, Then in the 80s when the crack epidemic started.. A lot of that caused those kids to have mental illness. Really I can go on because there really is a lot..
But the point is.. You tried to crawfish your way out of this by saying you are referring to the early 20th century.
Then you would have to look at the amount of people who lived in rural areas vs the amount of people in cities. You really didn't have suburban areas yet.
When you are talking about the economy, social problems, etc of today, when you say past.. It is assumed that we are talking about post-WWII.
Right after WWII, the foundation of how we live today started to be built. Pre-WWII people either lived in the city or in rural areas. The interstate system completely shifted the way people lived. In the 50s suburban areas were established, the economy started to depend a lot more on retail. With home appliances suddenly becoming available, as people bought homes (in the suburbs) then they purchased washers, dryers, refrigerators, stoves, etc.. And the increase in sales boosted the companies that made them.
Then when you get into social problems, there are certain problems that will exist everywhere, but in the US, the 1960s laid the foundation of the social problems we see today. In fact, the Vietnam war played a big factor.
People came home addicted to heroin.. It messed up a lot of people. Then you had all the hippies protesting the war (which looking at it from someone born after the Vietnam war, I think the US government was stupid for getting involved and they are to blame for problems that was created as a result). And the hippies used a lot of LSD, which has a long term impact on people.. It can really frick someone up mentally.
This is where I think a lot of problems today come from.
During the 60s, drug use rapidly increased. You had babies being born to heroin addicts, parents under the influence of LSD, Then in the 80s when the crack epidemic started.. A lot of that caused those kids to have mental illness. Really I can go on because there really is a lot..
But the point is.. You tried to crawfish your way out of this by saying you are referring to the early 20th century.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:18 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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low IQ post alert
Never been introduced to the concept of cause and effect?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:18 pm to OweO
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You need to read a few books on how our economy works.
You need to study the concept of cause and effect.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:19 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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No. Spin off. Having good looks is pretty lucky. Being good looking gets you way more opportunities than your average joe, and mostly, the ugly ones.
Literally has nothing to do with his football success, but thanks.
Just saw that you said spin off, my bad..
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:33 pm to Slippy
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:12 pm to jnethe1
quote:
You need to study the concept of cause and effect.
Can you explain specifically what you are referring to?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:06 pm to OweO
If you make good decisions, you will have a better tomorrow.
If you make bad decisions, you will have a worse off tomorrow.
If you make bad decisions, you will have a worse off tomorrow.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:11 pm to TH03
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Pretty much. If you compare races within different ranges of income, you'll see very little differences outside of outliers. The dumb and poor of all colors are the worst.
Tony the human trafficker, in Jack Ryan Season 1, Episode 6, pretty much tells Jack this.
He actually says, "You think you're the good guy, I'm the bad guy."
"Maybe, if I was born in a nice city in America, like Cincinnati, I could be the good guy too."
Vimeo (top video, while he's driving the Tacoma)
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:35 pm to OweO
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In fact, there is data (I first read it in freakanomics) that suggest that 20 years after abortion became legal, crime started to drop. It became legal nationwide in the early 70s. By the mid to late 90s crime (violent crime) started to drop.
Correlation = / = Causation
ETA: my answer is drugs/alcohol... when you think about it, it’s staggering the amount of crime that’s committed in the pursuit of drugs.
But there’s nothing we can really do about it... it’s ingrained in our society.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:41 pm to OweO
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OweO
You trying to lecture me on history, any history, is like a zit-faced high schooler on his first day working at Burger King telling a Le Cordon Bleu trained chef how to cook.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:44 pm to Slippy
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Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
No. It is a symptom.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:49 pm to Sun God
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It’s like watching intervention. Every person in that show has some sad sack reason they became alcoholics or heroin addicts or huff paint
Mental health is the most ignored subject in this country.
You are proof of that. We are conditioned to believe that it is a weakness to acknowledge mental health problems within ourselves and our society, and that all we need to do to cure ourselves is "cheer up bitch".
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:49 pm to Evolved Simian
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Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
No. It is a symptom.
Exactly
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:19 pm to jnethe1
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f you make good decisions, you will have a better tomorrow.
What might seem like a good decision today... might not be the best decision in the future.
For example, you have 2 job offers. One job offers more up front. At that time it is the best decision, but if you would have taken the other job, you would be making 15% more than you are at that time.
Also, everyone makes bad decisions from time to time in life, but when its all said and done, you learn from it. Which can be valuable as time goes on. It's not as simple as "make good decisions".
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:28 pm to lowspark12
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ETA: my answer is drugs/alcohol... when you think about it, it’s staggering the amount of crime that’s committed in the pursuit of drugs.
But there’s nothing we can really do about it... it’s ingrained in our society.
I think making drugs legal would actually help. If you squeeze out the street dealers that would reduce crime. There would still be some level of illegal dealing, people can buy it legally and know exactly what they are getting, but on the street it would probably be cheaper. Prohibition is the perfect example. There was a lot of crime created when it was illegal to sell alcohol because there was still a demand for it. And as long as there is a demand there will be supply. Whether it is legal or illegal. but doing it illegally creates a haven for crime.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:32 pm to OweO
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For example, you have 2 job offers. One job offers more up front. At that time it is the best decision, but if you would have taken the other job, you would be making 15% more than you are at that time.
you and your syntax
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:49 pm to Darth_Vader
Congrats, you know history. I read books as well and while you might have more knowledge in some areas than I do, that has nothing to do with what you said.
Your post was..
I replied with
Which I noticed actually had 11 upvotes to 3 downvotes. That is a rare happening for my post.
Then you replied with:
Then I went on to explain that when there is a general discussion about poverty, the economy, social problems, etc, its usually compared to post WWII decades (50s, 60s, 70s, 80, 90, 00, 10s).
A lot of accurate crime data only goes back as far as the 1960s. There are some that only go back to the 80s. And of you start in 1980 murders alone was pretty high, it slide down by the mid 80s then started going up in 1990 then was at its highest in the mid 90s and then has been on a down slide since.
Go back to the beginning of the 20th century is not relevant because the problems that existed then has nothing to do with the problems that exist today.
But congrats on reading more books on history related topics and assuming you know more than anyone else on this site..
Your post was..
quote:
If poverty was the problem, then why wasn’t crime rates much higher in the past when poverty rates were far higher than they are today?
I replied with
quote:
When you say past.. What are you referring to? Because crime was much higher starting in the 60s-90s.
Which I noticed actually had 11 upvotes to 3 downvotes. That is a rare happening for my post.
Then you replied with:
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I’m talking early 20th century and back. I’m talking about when poverty meant you lived in a one room house without running water and quite possibly a dirt floor. When poverty meant you might starve to death come winter. And when poverty levels were astronomically higher than they are today.
At the turn of the 20th century poverty levels in the US were close to 60% of the population. By the end of WWII that number had been cut in half. Now it’s down to below 12%. So if poverty is the cause of crime and all of society’s ills, why were crime rates lower than when poverty rates were far higher.
Then I went on to explain that when there is a general discussion about poverty, the economy, social problems, etc, its usually compared to post WWII decades (50s, 60s, 70s, 80, 90, 00, 10s).
A lot of accurate crime data only goes back as far as the 1960s. There are some that only go back to the 80s. And of you start in 1980 murders alone was pretty high, it slide down by the mid 80s then started going up in 1990 then was at its highest in the mid 90s and then has been on a down slide since.
Go back to the beginning of the 20th century is not relevant because the problems that existed then has nothing to do with the problems that exist today.
But congrats on reading more books on history related topics and assuming you know more than anyone else on this site..
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