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re: Is it easy getting Hydroxychloroquin?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:00 pm to jordan21210
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:00 pm to jordan21210
Another study supporting it
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Time will tell. I certainly can’t say one way or the other. My point is that it MIGHT work. And if it is being kept from people to prove Trump wrong, that is pathetic.
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Time will tell. I certainly can’t say one way or the other. My point is that it MIGHT work. And if it is being kept from people to prove Trump wrong, that is pathetic.
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:01 pm to 4evrlsu
The studies that support it are far and few and flawed. They can’t say with certainty that using it early is the reason for recovery bc it’s often given in tandem with other drugs and treatments. Until it can be proven that HCQ and HCQ alone increases recovery, it will continue to be restricted by fda and doctors will not write for it. That’s how the scientific method works.
I’ve seen a lot of people implicate “big pharma” in this discussion. Claiming HCQ is being dismissed bc it’d cut into vaccine profits. Just FYI, vaccines are loss leaders in the pharma world. There is a good podcast on that very subject from Planet Money that discusses the economics of vaccine development.
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Personally, I feel that the fact that it’s cheap plays a role in it. There’s a reason Bill Gates has led the campaign against it.
I’ve seen a lot of people implicate “big pharma” in this discussion. Claiming HCQ is being dismissed bc it’d cut into vaccine profits. Just FYI, vaccines are loss leaders in the pharma world. There is a good podcast on that very subject from Planet Money that discusses the economics of vaccine development.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:01 pm to 4evrlsu
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4evrlsu
Do you think it's possible that hydroxychloroquine is not effective against COVID?
Just seems like you're on some confirmation bias here.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:03 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
I've heard that it is being used in trials to treat endometriosis from women having dream sex with demons.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:05 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
Ask your pharmacist next time you pick up your Valtrex prescription.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:05 pm to 4evrlsu
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Another study supporting it
From your link:
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Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September.
So he says that results will not be ready until September, but decides to say it works in May.
That's incredibly unethical, and it does not equal a study saying it works. It equals a researcher saying it works without having the study conclusion.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:16 pm to magildachunks
I took it to mean that previous studies discounting its effectiveness were in-patient, and had issues as far as when it was given, co-morbidities present, etc. that skewed the results. The new study is for early treatment, outpatient. No argument here that giving it late in the course of the illness has proven to be ineffective.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:22 pm to Goldrush25
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Do you think it's possible that hydroxychloroquine is not effective against COVID? Just seems like you're on some confirmation bias here.
I have stated that already. It may not work at all. I jumped into this, which I’m quickly regretting, because I’m sick of the games being played around this drug, which may or may NOT work, being politicized and made out to be some killer drug when it has been used safely for decades, is cheap, and has shown positive results in SOME studies, which are never talked about.
I have no agenda. In fact, it’s better for me if it’s not in high demand.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:28 pm to magildachunks
I will say anecdotally that my 88yo Mamaw with h/o dialysis for years and multiple hospitalizations for pneumonia. She contracted covid in April, developed pneumonia with very low O2 stats and was hospitalized at East Jefferson for 10 days. She received azythromycine, hydroxychloroquine, and oxygen and kicked its arse.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:29 pm to LSU Tigershark
Go, Mamaw! That’s awesome.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:34 pm to LSU Tigershark
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88yo Mamaw with h/o dialysis for years and multiple hospitalizations for pneumonia. She contracted covid in April, developed pneumonia with very low O2 stats and was hospitalized at East Jefferson for 10 days. She recei ved azythromycine, hydroxychloroquine, and oxygen and kicked its arse.
That's awesome and this is why I'm jumping on the HCQ bandwagon. It's stories like this that make me ask the question in how to get the stuff. If I get the virus I'm requesting HCQ, Zpack and Zinc
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:36 pm to 4evrlsu
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Time will tell. I certainly can’t say one way or the other. My point is that it MIGHT work. And if it is being kept from people to prove Trump wrong, that is pathetic.
So the FDA hates Trump? Why do they hate him?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:39 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
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If I get the virus I'm requesting HCQ, Zpack and Zinc
Like you're ordering room service
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:44 pm to Chucktown_Badger
The way I look at it is what harm would it do to take HCQ? It's cheap and safe. Millions of people have been taking this drug for 60 years for malaria. If I get Covid I don't see how taking this would hurt vs not taking anything and trying to beat it.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:46 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
JBE restricted pharmacies in filling scripts for China Virus. It can be prescribed but not for CV in Louisiana
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:47 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
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The way I look at it is what harm would it do to take HCQ? It's cheap and safe. Millions of people have been taking this drug for 60 years for malaria. If I get Covid I don't see how taking this would hurt vs not taking anything and trying to beat it.
It was explained to you earlier why Doctors aren't just going to prescribe something just to do it.
Some people need that drug for real treatments of conditions it's known to treat.
Giving it out on a hope that it could work all willy-nilly could lower supply and raise the price.
anyway, I bet the doctor will just give you a placebo script just to placate you.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:48 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
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The way I look at it is what harm would it do to take HCQ?
Well, let’s see. For starters, there are people who actually need the drug for other diseases. Diseases that it’s actually been proven this drug can help with. And if morons like you start taking it because “why the frick not?” people who actually NEED it will have trouble accessing it.
Second, continuing the conversation of “maybe this works!” without any proof makes it much harder to inform the public about drugs that WILL help once they’ve been tested.
Seriously man. Walk in front of a bus.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:49 pm to Nonc Chu Rouge
Well, for one, there was/is a shortage of the drug meaning people who legitimately benefit from it for their RA or lupus have trouble getting it. My buddies wife has lupus and she needs it.
Second, there are hundreds of other generic drugs out there that are cheap and "safe" but also are likely to not improve your symptoms...do you want to take all of those too, or are you just in love with this one because Trump suggested months ago it works (along with lysol and high energy light beams)?
As others have said already, your experience with the virus is likely to be incredibly benign, and you'd be fine with a watch and monitor approach...so why take any prescription med if you don't have to?
Other treatment techniques that HCPs have learned since this thing first started are making a big impact in reducing severity and mortality.
Lastly, the FDA (the people who originally approved the drug) have removed it from the emergency use act so doctors are incredibly unlikely to be giving it to anyone.
I could keep going, but you get the point.
Second, there are hundreds of other generic drugs out there that are cheap and "safe" but also are likely to not improve your symptoms...do you want to take all of those too, or are you just in love with this one because Trump suggested months ago it works (along with lysol and high energy light beams)?
As others have said already, your experience with the virus is likely to be incredibly benign, and you'd be fine with a watch and monitor approach...so why take any prescription med if you don't have to?
Other treatment techniques that HCPs have learned since this thing first started are making a big impact in reducing severity and mortality.
Lastly, the FDA (the people who originally approved the drug) have removed it from the emergency use act so doctors are incredibly unlikely to be giving it to anyone.
I could keep going, but you get the point.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I could keep going, but you get the point.
No, he doesn’t. And that’s the problem.
He is in the bottom 10% of the country for cognitive thinking. Probably couldn’t remember the words “person, woman, man, camera, tv” after 10 minutes of first hearing it.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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but you get the point.
He doesn't.
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