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re: Is it acceptable to wear Civil War garb in public?

Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:34 pm to
It’s fine if you wear Union garb. If you wear Confederate stuff though, you’re a raciss.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
73033 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:42 pm to
Well done on the camouflage uniform job here folks.
Maybe the last thing WT Sherman did before leaving LSU was approve those uniforms.
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Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az
Member since Feb 2006
12876 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 4:46 pm to
Why would you want to wear heavy arse itchy wool unless you had to
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72354 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 4:59 pm to
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I refused and tried to explain to her that the Civil War was about states rights and not slavery


As someone who’s studied the Civil War extensively for over 40 years, I promise you that you’re wrong to say the Civil War was about States right and not slavery. But then again so are the ones who think it wasn’t about States Rights and only about slavery. Both of these issues led directly to the Civil War. Not one or the other... both.

/argument
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17464 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 5:05 pm to
The heritage you so eagerly want to celebrate included men that would take their hat offwhen they entered a room.

Why did you leave your hat on in their house? The host nonetheless.
Posted by hiremikeleach
Member since Dec 2019
4621 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 5:08 pm to
I don’t get the hate.... the civil war was not about slavery initially, however when the north needed more men to fight they played the slavery card
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59508 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 5:13 pm to
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the civil war was not about slavery initially, however when the north needed more men to fight they played the slavery card


It was always about slavery from the southern perspective. Lincoln tried to make it about saving the Union until the war became so unpopular that he had to make it about slavery.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 5:23 pm to
Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is a quality troll. It has something for everyone. Racism, horrible taste in attire, wearing a jersey as a grown man, a controversial take on history so everyone can come in and act like a historical scholar, and a woman throwing a fit.

Well done. I don't believe for a second any of it was real, but it provided for some good reading.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72354 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 5:30 pm to
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the civil war was not about slavery initially,


As I said above, slavery was not the sole reason for the Civil War, but it was one of the two major reasons. Look no further than the Constitution of the Confederate States of America....

Article I Section 9(4)
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed

Article IV Section 2(1)
The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired

Article IV Section 3(3)
The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several states; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form states to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states.

LINK

All that was written and ratified by the Confederate Congress in the spring of 1861.

And here is what South Carolina, the first state to leave the Union, included in its articles of secession in December 1860....

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

And...

A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery.

LINK

Again, slavery was a driving force leading to the Civil War, States Rights bring the other leading cause.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10688 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 6:52 pm to
Why did you even waste your time and breath talking to her? You're an adult, wear what you want.
Posted by xGeauxLSUx
United States of Atrophy
Member since Oct 2008
22616 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 7:17 pm to
At least get an authentic one. That one is hilarious.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:29 pm to
One of my GFs was a 1st Sgt in The 33rd Ga.(Gilmer Tigers.) His regiment was taken POW when Pemberton surrendered to Grant at Vicksburg and was later paroled in a prisoner exchange. After coming home, the regiment was reformed and they were active in the siege of Chattanooga. After the siege was broken and Grant broke out and the Union forces commenced their march to Atlanta, the confederates made winter camp around Dalton, Ga.

Most of the confederate soldiers that were in camp that winter were North Ga mountain men who never supported the legislature in secession in 61. Most, including my GF, were coerced by Confederate Home Guards to enlist and report to muster. The decline to do so resulted in property(farms mainly) destruction, beatings, and even some killings of local mountain men at the hands of the home guard. They weren’t on the side of the Union but were not ardent secessionist as they had little skin in the game as most of them were not slave owners. The ardent supporters in Ga were down on the plains and/ or near the coast. In fact, secession votes in the legislature show that the upper counties in the mountains were overwhelmingly not in support of secession.

Grant was persuaded by an under officer that a good idea would be to offer the soldiers who were in that winter camp a way to remove themselves from the fighting. Grant signed off on the plan and the Underground Railroad for defectors was put into action. They were able to get word to the soldiers in camp that a system was in place to help them to escape to Chattanooga where they would be able to pledge an oath of allegiance to the U.S.. Once they did so, they were given two options. 1. Travel north of the Ohio River and work in Union labor camps with pay or 2. Join newly formed regiments of defectors and serve as labor/rear guard to Sherman’s troops with the promise of no combat. Either way, they were to be bound to their service until the war ended.

My GF was at this time close to his farm in Ellijay and took the second option to remain fairly close to home. Many of the North Ga men chose this option. He was one of the last men in his regiment to defect. Over 80% of his regiment defected from winter until early spring. A few were caught and executed trying.

My GF made it through and became a 1st SGT in the 5th Tennessee Mounted Infantry and remained there doing rear guard labor for Sherman until they passed Atlanta and then they were redeployed to do labor work in N.C. until the end of the war. He ended up applying for and receiving a union pension in 1888 when he was 62.

I have documented every one of my GFs who fought for the Confederacy (12) and have discovered some fascinating records for most of them but his might be the most unique of them all. He is the only one who participated in the war as a NCO for both sides.

Another was my GF who was in the 2nd Charleston Battalion as a 2nd Lt at Battery Wagner when the 54th Mass (all black regiment) made its vanguard assault on the fort. He ended up with Col. Shaw’s sword , scabbard, and silk sash and kept it until he returned it to the Shaw family ten years after the war.

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