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Is it a mistake to concentrate industries and airport hubs into mega cities?

Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:22 am
Posted by LSUneaux
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:22 am
Are we as a capitalistic society making a mistake by concentrating industries and airport hubs into megacities? If there is a catastrophe, it sends massive ripple effects everywhere else. If Atlanta is having a weather issue, flights all over the country and world suffer. With Houston unfortunately getting this storm, we are going to see oil shocks. If The San Francisco Bay area suffered a major earthquake, the tech world would be brought to its knees.

Why is it important for energy companies to be clustered in the same city? Same for technology for the most part. Financials are pretty well diversified into dozens of metropolitan areas. I understand that some companies form in cities and blossom from there, but the oil industry wasn't consolidated to Houston until the mid 80s.

And for the record, no I am not for government intervention into these private businesses.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:25 am
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:24 am to
it's definitely a mistake to concentrate democrats there
Posted by Geauxld Finger
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:25 am to
The cities make bids for these companies via cheap land, tax incentives and financial packages.

Also port locations, trucking routes, rail access, access to major rivers, and access to materials plays a part.

It's not a mistake. It's how cities grow.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:28 am
Posted by LSUneaux
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:26 am to
Great point. Houston does have an abundance of developable land.
Posted by rmnldr
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:30 am to
Kinda hard not to without having to spend a ton of money on new infrastructure
Posted by TheXman
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:31 am to
I hate the concept of these mega cities that we have going on these days.

The only one that is tolerable is New York due to the proximity of everything but even that will be unbearable if they don't fix the subway.

Any metro over 5 million is not worth living in. Just my 2 cents.

But like some other people have said, there isn't anything that can be done about it. Can't just break up cities and start demanding people live elsewhere.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:33 am
Posted by bountyhunter
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:32 am to
One company in any given industry gives rise to other competing companies in said industry. Not sure how a monopoly benefits anyone except the owner of a monopoly.

Also, cost is reduced for bulk shipments of raw materials or parts typically, which affects the bottom line, which in turn affects the final price at market. The modern economy thrives or perishes on its ability to streamline processes. Forcefully fragmenting industries and services has more cons than pros in my opinion.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:42 am
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:35 am to
"I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on Earth" -- Steve McQueen
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:20 am to
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Any metro over 5 million is not worth living in. Just my 2 cents


How do, living in the downtown of a city of 9 million people, I think the cost of living is rather expensive dive but I don't need a car, can get anywhere in the city within half an hour for two dollars, have access to any dining/shopping/entertainment venue I want, and can make every weekend an adventure.

Now would I mind living in suburbs or rural? No. but to dismiss cities, I think you don't really know what it's like to live in a real city. Example you used as New York being the evidence.
Posted by noonan
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:28 am to
So you don't think industries and airlines should put their major money maker where they would make money?
Posted by Whoopdedo_LSU
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:42 am to
Posted by GetBackToWork
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:49 am to
For business it often makes it easier. Locate in a city where everyone in an industry has an office, and you will always find employees, outside expertise, and the related service companies and/or suppliers you need. You will also be in the midst of where any trends or developments take place.

Tech fields are extremely sensitive to this, but many sectors show this as well. It sucks for other cities who lose out. New Orleans and really La as a whole has lost pretty much every public company it ever had. Start ups grow and typically move away once hitting critical levels or when they're bought.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:53 am to
Central place theory baw.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:55 am to
Not if you believe in a federal system. Each state plays to its strengths and resources.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:23 am to
its necessary - how do you have an airport hub out in the middle of nowhere, what is the point? Companies in the same industry cluster because it makes business easier, driving costs down. Really no other option for technological and economic expansion.

And mega cities have been around for a very long time.
Posted by member12
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Is it a mistake to concentrate industries and airport hubs into mega cities?


They go where the infrastructure is.

Louisiana doesn't make real investments in infrastructure like Houston or Atlanta - particularly in growing parts of the state like Lake Charles, Lafayette, and Baton Rouge. Those areas are growing (slowly compared to Texas) despite the lack of new highways, bridges, diversion canals, etc.

If they really want Baton Rouge and the north shore to grow, they'd add 3-4 new gates to BTR (and try to attract more nonstop flights to existing hubs as well as discount service from Spirit, Frontier, etc), expand Airline Highway throughout the entire metro, widen US 190 to Hammond (and make improvements to it west towards Opelousas), widen LA30 to Gonzales, build a bridge crossing at Hooper Road/Watson, and build a new Mississippi River bridge south of I-10 around Dow Chem - all while Baton Rouge tries to gentrify parts of town that are relatively safe from flooding.

New Orleans desperately needs better drainage infrastructure, improved/replaced locks at their ship channels, improved public safety, replaced and expanded rail links (including passenger service to Baton Rouge), and to somehow attract a low cost airline hub at MSY. The last thing alone would make New Orleans much more competitive than it is today. I think the new terminal will help them achieve that. Baton Rouge and the north shore will also benefit from that.

Lafayette and Lake Charles also have major needs...namely the completion of I-49, the replacement of the aging bridge over Lake Charles, and probably the eventual relocation and expansion of Lake Charles regional airport to somewhere along I-10 east of town. Lake Charles and Lafayette also need improved collector road networks, drainage infrastructure, and land use controls south of both cities.

All of those cities listed above would benefit from a wider I-10 and I-12 with updated bridge crossings and interchanges. I can definitely see how Lake Charles will become much larger in the not to distant future. I also think that Baton Rouge, north shore, and New Orleans will eventually grow into one another if they can offer better regional infrastructure.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 9:27 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

its necessary - how do you have an airport hub out in the middle of nowhere


Airport hubs also need a lot of O/D traffic, which means they typically congregate in metro areas of 1.5 million people are more.

Actually lately they are preferring more than that because we keep allowing major airlines to merge. I wish Delta still had a hub in Memphis and Cincy and that American still had a hub in St. Louis and Pittsburgh. Those areas are big enough to support a hub, but they all prefer to route traffic through their super-hubs in Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. Southwest has picked up a lot of slack in those cities at least.

Memphis is still a massive freight hub for both rail and air though.
Posted by TheXman
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:17 am to
I've lived in Dallas
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:24 am to
quote:

The only one that is tolerable is New York due to the proximity of everything but even that will be unbearable if they don't fix the subway.


I think they could use at least one additional north/south line. Then they can focus on replacing the traffic and platform issues of their existing lines.

You brought up a major piece of infrastructure that is almost too busy to disrupt with improvements. The city is so dependent

I also think the mid sized and large flyover metro areas between 800,000 - 2,000,000 (Baton Rouge/Tulsa/Oklahoma City/Memphis/Nashville/Omaha/Birmingham/Pittsburgh/Indy) need to start planning for local rail-based street car lines or transit lines if they haven't already. The initial investment is scary-high, but I think the federal government should help with some of it. Once the initial line and running gear are installed and operational, incremental expansion is a little easier to swallow.

I think regional rail lines will be pushed by the federal government in the future between places like Baton Rouge and New Orleans, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, Tulsa to Oklahoma city, etc. They will make a much bigger dent in local traffic movement if they are met with better local public transit.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 9:28 am
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:39 am to
quote:

I also think the mid sized and large flyover metro areas between 800,000 - 2,000,000 (Baton Rouge/Tulsa/Oklahoma City/Memphis/Nashville/Omaha/Birmingham/Pittsburgh/Indy) need to start planning for local rail-based street car lines or transit lines if they haven't already. The initial investment is scary-high, but I think the federal government should help with some of it. Once the initial line and running gear are installed and operational, incremental expansion is a little easier to swallow.

I think regional rail lines will be pushed by the federal government in the future between places like Baton Rouge and New Orleans, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, Tulsa to Oklahoma city, etc. They will make a much bigger dent in local traffic movement if they are met with better local public transit.


I would agree with that if I didn't think that autonomous driving is going to be such a ridiculous game-changer with regards to public transportation, individual vehicle ownership, and commercial freight shipping. I don't think it makes sense for metro areas that size to invest in legacy rail lines until they see how autonomous driving shakes out. I live in a city with a great rail system, love it, and use it all the time, but I'd exercise caution even if I were a larger city (Denver, Miami, Seattle, etc.) thinking about a big movement in that direction.
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