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re: Is internal audit a waste of a career?
Posted on 9/17/25 at 7:52 am to Youngeye77
Posted on 9/17/25 at 7:52 am to Youngeye77
IA is a very critical role within energy trading and it's very lucrative.
Move to Houston and you will always have a fun and exciting job.
Move to Houston and you will always have a fun and exciting job.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:03 am to Mingo Was His NameO
mingo is this normal in accounting for someone 7 years out to only be making 100k including bonus and other comp? seems low
is it because he doesnt have CPA nor in management?
is it because he doesnt have CPA nor in management?
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:09 am to Youngeye77
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It does include a bonus (only about 10%). What sort of roles do you think I should be looking for that pay that price in Louisiana
Not sure where you live in Louisiana but I’d also look at remote roles.
Examples:
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And don’t just blindly apply. Connect with a recruiter on LinkedIn or find someone that went to LSU and that works for the company and ask for a referral. If no one other LSU grads then try someone that went to a Louisiana school; connect on that shared Louisiana base. Or just someone that’s an ex employee of one of your previous firms.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:24 am to lsu777
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mingo is this normal in accounting for someone 7 years out to only be making 100k including bonus and other comp?
If they aren’t credentialed yes. Ie receivables clerks, non management corporate accountants, etc
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is it because he doesnt have CPA nor in management?
That and location. I made $100k after four years, several years ago
Edit: at year 7, I was right around $200k with bonus
This post was edited on 9/17/25 at 8:26 am
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:26 am to DarthGadget
SAS70. LOL. That hasn't existed in about a decade, since the SSAE16 SOC2 (SOC1 is for financial controls) rolled out. The amount of times I've had to cut and paste what a SOC1 vs a SOC2 is from the AICPA website would astound you.
OP, you should have stayed in Big4. I have watched hundreds of people take your route. This is how you end up in an industry IA department where you're waiting for someone to retire or leave to move up. Hess just got bought, and the Hess IA department is finito. A colleague worked there for more than 15 years, he's just gone.
The travel in Big 4 is usually what killed people, but when that's where you start out, you just follow orders because that's what everyone else does. If you want to fly in on Sundays and leave earlier on Thursdays, just do it. If you need to be home on a Wednesday because that is the day your wife needs to get preggo, ask. Too many people don't. You'll find the partners and senior managers that are humans,. Just because everyone else thinks it's fun to roll into work after 9AM and get "work" to pay for dinner doesn't mean you have to.
OP, you should have stayed in Big4. I have watched hundreds of people take your route. This is how you end up in an industry IA department where you're waiting for someone to retire or leave to move up. Hess just got bought, and the Hess IA department is finito. A colleague worked there for more than 15 years, he's just gone.
The travel in Big 4 is usually what killed people, but when that's where you start out, you just follow orders because that's what everyone else does. If you want to fly in on Sundays and leave earlier on Thursdays, just do it. If you need to be home on a Wednesday because that is the day your wife needs to get preggo, ask. Too many people don't. You'll find the partners and senior managers that are humans,. Just because everyone else thinks it's fun to roll into work after 9AM and get "work" to pay for dinner doesn't mean you have to.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:28 am to Youngeye77
i have been on the internal audit / internal controls, and now SOX side of things since around 2006 or so when I got my first corporate gig.
the job itself is not hard, you learn a ton about everything the company does, to the point where you may be able to leverage your knowledge base on transitioning to an operations or finance role.
however, staying in the audit side can have alot of drawback. I've been laid off 3 times in my career, every single economic downturn that we've had, audit seems to get hit pretty hard, and it's because we are just cost centers in the end. we help improve processes, identify other areas of optimization and improvement, but that's just word salad for when it gets tough, you're the first one out.
it isn't a bad career at all, but is this something you want to be doing forever? I'm still in the weeds and have been pondering that myself.
the job itself is not hard, you learn a ton about everything the company does, to the point where you may be able to leverage your knowledge base on transitioning to an operations or finance role.
however, staying in the audit side can have alot of drawback. I've been laid off 3 times in my career, every single economic downturn that we've had, audit seems to get hit pretty hard, and it's because we are just cost centers in the end. we help improve processes, identify other areas of optimization and improvement, but that's just word salad for when it gets tough, you're the first one out.
it isn't a bad career at all, but is this something you want to be doing forever? I'm still in the weeds and have been pondering that myself.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:37 am to The Egg
Interesting. I’ve always been told that this profession was sort of recession proof- but I see your reasoning.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
So is the general consensus here that I try to pursue the CPA? Seems like otherwise I’m severely limiting myself in terms of outside opportunities from IA/earning potential?
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:39 am to The Egg
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audit seems to get hit pretty hard, and it's because we are just cost centers in the end. we help improve processes, identify other areas of optimization
Auditors (internal and external) seem to have a really hard time with demonstrating the actual business value of "improved processes." They invariably turn the justification for the "improvement" into consulting word salad, which makes people hate us.
I agree though, once you go industry, you're expendable. Lots of the basic work is being offshored to India already. You're not a revenue generator in industry, you're a cost center. In consulting, you're a revenue generator. There is a massive difference.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:43 am to Youngeye77
I couldn’t imaging being a male in this role. Very looked down upon.
You basically spend your time criticizing real men doing their jobs. You’re also the first to get cut if times get tough because nothing you do is critical to the company’s success. You’re a worthless role and eventually became worthless in life.
You basically spend your time criticizing real men doing their jobs. You’re also the first to get cut if times get tough because nothing you do is critical to the company’s success. You’re a worthless role and eventually became worthless in life.
This post was edited on 9/17/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:46 am to BabyTac
Oh yeah lol. You sound like a sensitive little biotch
Posted on 9/17/25 at 8:50 am to Youngeye77
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So is the general consensus here that I try to pursue the CPA? Seems like otherwise I’m severely limiting myself in terms of outside opportunities from IA/earning potential?
Yes and if you are dead set on staying in the NOLA/BR area, you should almost certainly bite the bullet and go back to public. If you aren’t on the inside track of the handful of industry jobs that are good already, you likely aren’t getting them. You’d probably have to try to get back into public as a Senior Associate for a which will suck being managed by a person your age, but you could get promoted after a year which will already give you a pretty big lag bump
Posted on 9/17/25 at 9:06 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If they aren’t credentialed yes. Ie receivables clerks, non management corporate accountants, etc
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That and location. I made $100k after four years, several years ago
Edit: at year 7, I was right around $200k with bonus
ok makes sense as engineering is similar, at least civil. You come out of school making a lot in engineering but if you don't get into the right path and do not have the PE you can stall salary wise quickly.
i guess getting in with big 4 for accounting would be similar to being with one of the big oil companies as far as comp and career trajectory.
all the accountants I know that do really well...either got on with a plant or big construction company and worked up to being a controller or management or thye got their CPA and went out on their own. But I dont know any in bigger cities like OP that just work for firms or internal either.
just seemed low for 7 years out.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 9:13 am to lsu777
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just seemed low for 7 years out.
I was in IT, not financial, and I made $70k starting as a senior. 20 years ago. 100k for 7 years does seem low, but the accounting only grads were essentially chattel (based on me paying attention to how the SOX 404 teams got treated.) The women would always start having babies and quit right after they got Manager, which seemed to keep the promotion pipeline open for semi-competent males.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 9:43 am to Youngeye77
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So is the general consensus here that I try to pursue the CPA? Seems like otherwise I’m severely limiting myself in terms of outside opportunities from IA/earning potential?
I'll caveat that I do have my CPA but I don't think you absolutely need to get your CPA with 7 years of Big 4 experience and your CIA license
Posted on 9/17/25 at 10:43 am to Sterling Archer
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I'll caveat that I do have my CPA but I don't think you absolutely need to get your CPA with 7 years of Big 4 experience and your CIA license
My opinion is worthless and Mingo will confirm that, but anyone that’s an “accountant” and over 28-30 and not a CPA I immediately question. I’m sure I’m not the only one. IMO if you want to ever possibly be hired by non Accountants like as a controller of CFO of a small business, you should absolutely get it.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 11:16 am to Youngeye77
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Oh yeah lol. You sound like a sensitive little biotch
That poster is full of shite
Posted on 9/17/25 at 11:49 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Makes sense. I was always kind of under the assumption that I’d be attractive with the CIA and Big 4 experience. At this point in my career, most of my experience is SOX, governance/risk, and operational type audits.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 1:31 pm to Youngeye77
You have a good job making good money which allows you to be picky about any future moves you may make. Stuck is the last word I would use to describe your situation.
Stuck is i have to take the first job offered so I can pay my mortgage next month.
Stuck is i have to take the first job offered so I can pay my mortgage next month.
Posted on 9/17/25 at 1:35 pm to Youngeye77
I thought internal audit would be rough in Louisiana (in terms of publicly traded businesses that needed it)
I did it for 15 years and salary grew and I thought after I got tired of it I was pigeon holed
I was able to transfer to accounting in my Corp eventually and a controller now
I did it for 15 years and salary grew and I thought after I got tired of it I was pigeon holed
I was able to transfer to accounting in my Corp eventually and a controller now
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