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re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:10 am to biglego
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:10 am to biglego
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hat it’s hard for some folk to wrap their heads around.
There are people posting in this thread who just can't understand why employers can't just increase pay 50%.
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:17 am to Palantir
The problem is, that reliable warehouse guy you have - your company probably hired him at $12/hour 10, 15 years ago. Sure, he got tiny raises for the first few years, but that stopped when a regional manager decided that a warehouse worker wasn't worth $18 an hour.
So the labor market is strong now, he got a better offer, and he bails on you with little notice.
And he was absolutely right in doing so.
So the labor market is strong now, he got a better offer, and he bails on you with little notice.
And he was absolutely right in doing so.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:We agree on this, but unfortunately most bigwigs do not, and go the arbitrary route so we continue stagnate wages for honest hard working people.
Good employees should be well paid, shitty ones shouldn't. Arbitrary wages are dumb.
I will never, ever put down people who take those jobs with pride. That's some of the most labor intensive jobs out there, and they should be compensated for it based on their performance, not some arbitrary wage.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:25 am to wadewilson
quote:Absolutely agree.
The problem is, that reliable warehouse guy you have - your company probably hired him at $12/hour 10, 15 years ago. Sure, he got tiny raises for the first few years, but that stopped when a regional manager decided that a warehouse worker wasn't worth $18 an hour.
So the labor market is strong now, he got a better offer, and he bails on you with little notice.
And he was absolutely right in doing so.
The real problem is that corporations use the starting wage mandates to their advantage. Now they're pissed that workers have caught on their scheme and can't fill their void.
Pay people what they're worth, and you'll save money in the long run. This whole "it's just manual labor" thing is bullshite. I'd gladly pay one guy $25/hr if he can replace 2 guys who will steadily complain, not show up, etc. who make $15/hr
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:26 am to Palantir
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corporations
Not struggling anywhere near to the family business.
This is killing small industry, not bigcorp.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:27 am to Palantir
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but unfortunately most bigwigs do not,
Large companies are addicted to systems and have little to no variance.
Its all plug and play, we are all replaceable in these systems.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Eh, small industry frick shite up just as much in this area, trust me. They also use the starting wage to their advantage.
This is killing small industry, not bigcorp.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:30 am to Palantir
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Eh, small industry frick shite up
Small business isn't capitalized like big corporations. They can have more wage flexibility, or a lot less.
I don't know what you mean by "frick shite up" because small business is under attack right now and has been for a couple of years.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:30 am to Greenie10
30k a year used to be a good starting job. Inflation has killed that. Your company is going to have to pay more.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:31 am to DesScorp
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Your company is going to have to pay more.
Consumers do.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:What is extremely common business sense, seems to be extremely alien to most here.
The business has to increase what you are offering while simultaneously increasing the price of your products.
Raise the costs to the employer, then the employer has no choice but to raise the price of the goods/services.
Since the Biden administration took over, decisions have been made that greatly increase the cost to provide goods and services. On top of that, printing and dolling out money devalued the purchasing power of the dollar. Prices of everything is rising at an historic rate, leaving many without the means to pay. Just a few years ago, the big push was for $15/hour minimum wage. We are defacto, there now, but it still isn't enough. Newly hired Walmart worker demands $20/hour to greet people, then turns around to see hamburger meat is about to be $10/lb. Restaurants can't find people to work. If they raise compensation, they have to raise prices and risk a loss of customers.
The solution is for big government to get the Hell outta the way! Stop paying people to sit at home. Stop interfering with the landlord/renter relationship, stop interfering with the production and acquisition of oil and oil product, and stop sending massive amounts of money to foreign countries! Government should also get out of the student loan business!
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You may be misinterpreting what I am saying.
I don't know what you mean by "frick shite up" because small business is under attack right now and has been for a couple of years.
I agree with you that a starting wage is actually hurting people, not helping. As long as we have this arbitrary starting wage number, companies (corporations, and small business) will use it to their advantage and wages will in fact stagnate as they have been for years.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:35 am to Palantir
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As long as we have this arbitrary starting wage number
We don't.
Companies just can't pivot and pay 50% more labor with existing budgets and contracts.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:37 am to RockinDood
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That sucks.
Well done. Very, very underrated post.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:38 am to greygoose
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then the employer has no choice but to raise the price of the goods/services.
Probably half the posters in this thread cannot understand inflation and its causes.
The consumer ultimately pays the price for inflation and regulation.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
Are you just wanting to argue for the sake of arguing? Honest question.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:41 am to Palantir
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Are you just wanting to argue for the sake of arguing? Honest question.
Wages in the private sector are not arbitrarily set, I don't know how many times you have to be told.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:many companies can and will (or already have) significantly increase rates for laborers.
Companies just can't pivot and pay 50% more labor with existing budgets and contracts.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It is illegal for companies (small or large) to pay under minimum wage, so yes, wages are arbitrarily set.
Wages in the private sector are not arbitrarily set, I don't know how many times you have to be told.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:45 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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many companies can and will
Many can't and shut the doors. Again, small business isn't capitalized as well as large corps.
Most can't afford to pop pay 50%
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