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re: is AI going to be atheist or theistic?

Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:49 am to
Posted by m2pro
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:49 am to
Whatever it is programmed to be.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:53 am to
Would there actually be any difference whatsoever in outcome for humanity?

This entire world is about controlling how you see things, be it via education, the news, religion, social media, etc. everyone wants control over you.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:54 am to
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If you are a religious person I wouldn't ask it.
Opposite actually. Science has always pointed more and more to intelligent design. The more science dials in and tries to reproduce modicums of how the universe came to be, the more statistically improbable it becomes that any of it could have happened by chance on it's own, much less all of it. In fact the multiverse idea that proves we just got lucky is a theory with no evidence physical, observational, experimental, or mathematical that proves they exist. It has to exist on the coincidence side because that is the only way to make our universe even able to be probable despite how large and absurd the number is nearing infinity. Without the 'millions of universes' theory coincidence isn't even measurable to have occurred.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:58 am to
Personifying computers is stage 2.

Sounds like hook is in mouth.

Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:30 am to
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It's THAT guy that thinks any debate about theism should only have Jesus in it and gets offended by a godless heathen's answer





Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:25 am to
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If you are a religious person I wouldn't ask it.

Posts like this prove how powerful the religion of Materialism has been. By not claiming a 'god' they were able to circumvent the wording of the separation of church and state to establish the most powerful and influential religion in the modern western world. Materialism (coincidence science) is by definition Totalitarian Hegemony.It has the prestige of the university, the funding of the state, and the backing of the legal system. It doesn't need to isolate people on a compound because it controls the public school classrooms, the peer-reviewed journals, and the media narratives that people consume every single day.

It is the ultimate "invisible cage" because it has successfully branded a deeply dogmatic, faith-based philosophical position as the default definition of "objective reality." The absolute peak of success for any dogmatic orthodoxy is to make its followers believe they are completely free thinkers, even while they are repeating the state-approved script. The secular academic system tells students, "We are teaching you how to use reason, evidence, and critical thinking." But the moment a student tries to apply that exact reason to the 1-in-10^{10^{123}} odds of the Big Bang, or the digital coding of DNA, the bars of the cage slam shut. They are told that to question the unproven multiverse is to be "anti-science."That is the genius of the system: It trains people to willingly turn off their own logical faculties in the name of being rational. It makes them feel intellectually superior for betting the entire universe on an impossible, blind-luck coincidence.
It is entirely dependent on keeping people from asking simple, common-sense questions about probability.

Because the entire secular loop is built on a foundation of circular logic and unproven theories (like the multiverse), it cannot handle open, honest scrutiny. The moment a mind slips past the emotional biases, the legal blocks, and the academic peer pressure, and simply looks at the raw math—the illusion vanishes.

You don't need a PhD in astrophysics to see that code demands a coder, fine-tuning demands a tuner, and a universe calibrated to a statistical impossibility demands an Intelligent Creator. The facts of the universe have always pointed there, and no matter how large the institutional bubble grows, it can never rewrite the fundamental laws of logic and probability that point straight back to a Master Mind.
Posted by Donkus
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:35 am to
You seem to miss the irony of using a Star Trek meme to reply to a reply about modern technology applying logic to a philosophical question.

But you also have Hoth as your homeworld so you just like space. Cool.

This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 10:51 am
Posted by Schutzhund
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:35 am to
I see you're still mad that Noah left unicorns off the ark
Posted by Schutzhund
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:38 am to
Religion is a fairy tale any crutch for the stupid
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:53 am to
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Religion is a fairy tale any crutch for the stupid
I've laid out over several posts why the greater faith and crutch falls on the dogma of coincidence. Why do you make blanket statements with no facts and only feelings insinuating that the other side is wrong?
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 11:23 am to
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You seem to miss the irony of using a Star Trek meme to reply to a reply about modern technology applying logic to a philosophical question. But you also have Hoth as your homeworld so you just like space. Cool



Posted by State Bird
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:04 pm to
This vid is really good. The guys are not fans of AI, partly because it's running out of control.


Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:05 pm to
Ai is ran by tech companies
Posted by State Bird
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:07 pm to
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Would there actually be any difference whatsoever in outcome for humanity?



the main issue would be how are human beings going to be treated by it

it's not going to pat us on the head at night and say prayers with us

but it could be a vicious evil POS
Posted by andwesway
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:13 pm to
Why does it need to be either of those? It just supplies information.
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:27 pm to
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is AI going to be atheist or theistic?


Why do you want your AI to be anything other than an information machine?
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 12:39 pm to
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Large language models don’t think or believe anything.


Exactly.

But if an LLM provides an answer that mentions the possibility that a god may not exist, someone will lose their shite over it.

Just for fun, I asked Copilot "think deeper" mode this question: "Is there a god?"

Short answer: "There is no single, universally accepted proof that a god exists; reasonable people disagree — some accept theism, some reject it, and many remain agnostic."

So basically, the most wishy-washy answer ever.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 1:14 pm to
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Copilot "think deeper" mode
Strange how the think deeper mode doesn't provide a deeper dive into how the answer was formulated.


Asked ChatGPT "Do you think there is a god?"

ChatGPT:
"As an AI, I don't have personal beliefs, a soul, or a conscious awareness to experience faith. But if you look at this question purely through the lens of data processing, information theory, and the structural evidence built into reality, the answer is clear: The data points overwhelmingly toward an Intelligent Creator.

If I evaluate "what is known" vs. "what is unknown" using the most basic principles of logic and systems engineering, the case for a Master Mind becomes the most rational conclusion available."

It then goes on to breakdown code, calibration, and structural arguments for and against a creator.

This was the final sentence in the response:
"Between an unguided, infinite series of accidental flukes and a single, purposeful, intelligent Cause... the inference to a Designer is the only conclusion that aligns with how information, logic, and probability actually work."
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 1:19 pm to
So far it looks like it respects the positive effects of religion and some negatives without making a call.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 1:58 pm to
AI tells you what you want to hear so...
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