re: IOS 13.5 Contact tracing..

Posted by the LSUSaint

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:51 am to WDE24

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no it isn't

But yes it is

Posted by WDE24

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:52 am to the LSUSaint

Who does HIPAA apply to? Who is sharing the information? Is the person identified? What is covered under HIPAA?

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Posted by The Pirate King

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:54 am to TDsngumbo

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Their plan is working to perfection.

Not sure if any here watch Westworld, but it’s becoming closer and closer to reality.

Posted by Geauxboy

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:56 am to tigerfoot

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you could choose to not have a cell phone

So in your version of America, the decision to purchase or not purchase an item should come down whether the government can control or track me with my purchase? Interesting.
I assume you will have a different position when it doesn't involve a phone and the particular issue hits closer to home for you.

Posted by arcalades

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:09 am to ell_13

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You suck a comprehension. Reread your OP. The faceID change has nothing to do with the government.

oh dear God. stop embarrassing yourself.

Posted by I Bleed Garnet

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:10 am to KLSU

They've been watching us since after 9/11

Posted by tigerfoot

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:36 am to Geauxboy

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I assume you will have a different position when it doesn't involve a phone and the particular issue hits closer to home for you.

It won't hit home for me, because I am not paranoid.

I think it is a good idea and by utilizing contact tracing we may could've prevented some of the catastrophic consequences of everyone sitting at home.

Posted by littleavery1948

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:36 am to ell_13

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You suck a comprehension. Reread your OP. The faceID change has nothing to do with the government.

That's rich, baw.

Posted by the LSUSaint

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:13 pm to WDE24

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You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Ok Boomer.

IF anyone or anything (app) gives out a persons medical history in any way unauthorized, that is a direct HIPAA violation, period

If this app would tell you a contact of yours has a virus....that would be a violation.

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Posted by RealityTiger

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:00 pm to the LSUSaint

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IF anyone or anything (app) gives out a persons medical history in any way unauthorized, that is a direct HIPAA violation, period

If this app would tell you a contact of yours has a virus....that would be a violation.

I've been saying this for the past month.

So I have a question regarding this. I had a positive Covid 19 diagnosis on a test over a month ago. I was one of the asymptomatic people you hear about. So does that mean it's going to be blowing everybody's phone up now warning them about me, even though I'm safe to be around and have since gotten 100% of my smell back? I'd bet my life that I if I took an antibody test right now, it'd come back positive. I just don't want to have to explain that whole ordeal to people because their phones are blowing them up giving them warning while calling me out because of it.

Posted by dallastigers

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:21 pm to KLSU

This doesn't seem that bad since you are supposed to have control over it, but Considering 13.5 is already about to be jailbroke using browser for every device based on a kernel exploit apple's security and bugs concern me more about others using it without me knowing or approving.

If they would only spend more time on security and bugs and stopping apps from connecting to servers when background and notifications are turned off (Even offloaded apps have done this since I started trying out VPN/DNS apps), and also Spend more time not contacting tracing why phone and computer are sometimes contacting apple's domain with TLDs ending in .cn or .com.cn I would feel better about this.

It's not the concept as stated, but more of Apple's crapping software lately. They have over relied on closed system and in bred coding department. Even a group that pays for exploits to use on iPhones has said they have more than enough and aren't looking to pay for any more for now. Instead of constantly buying back stock they need to innovate and bring in new blood and brain power to code better.

Edit: this was designed with google, so it will be pushed to android as well. Just might happen slower (or faster if app based).

This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 10:23 pm

Posted by lsunurse

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:28 pm to the LSUSaint

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IF anyone or anything (app) gives out a persons medical history in any way unauthorized, that is a direct HIPAA violation, period

If this app would tell you a contact of yours has a virus....that would be a violation.

No it’s not.

You realize that every single case of COVID(as well as many other communicable diseases such as syphilis, pertussis, TB, etc) is mandated by law to be reported to local public health department which reports to their state....which reports to CDC.

Totally an authorized thing and requires no permission from the person tested.

Posted by BluegrassBelle

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:35 pm to the LSUSaint

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IF anyone or anything (app) gives out a persons medical history in any way unauthorized, that is a direct HIPAA violation, period

If this app would tell you a contact of yours has a virus....that would be a violation.

I don't think so. As long as they don't specifically mention the contact, that's not a violation.

For instance, when a kid enrolled in a school gets whooping cough their doctor reports that to the health department that in turn sends a notice to the school to be sent to all the students/families letting them know a case of whooping cough has occurred at the school. How's this any different?

Posted by dallastigers

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Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:39 pm to RealityTiger

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So I have a question regarding this. I had a positive Covid 19 diagnosis on a test over a month ago. I was one of the asymptomatic people you hear about. So does that mean it's going to be blowing everybody's phone up now warning them about me, even though I'm safe to be around and have since gotten 100% of my smell back? I'd bet my life that I if I took an antibody test right now, it'd come back positive. I just don't want to have to explain that whole ordeal to people because their phones are blowing them up giving them warning while calling me out because of it.

Doesn't seem like it would. It's supposed to be anonymous. You would also have to download the specific app and then agree program (since its can be tuned off & not a one time deal it is constantly your choice) and then agree a second time to share the info of a positive test. If you haven't actually been contagious in prior 14 days before test I wouldn't share the info of a positive antibody test.

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In the iOS 13.5 Exposure Notification is a privacy setting that is off by default, and using the feature requires users to download an app and consent to sign up for the exposure notification system (public health app only 1 for country or 1 for region/state)

If you do, at some point, get COVID-19, there's a separate consent process for anonymously alerting people that you've been in contact with. The app needs express consent to inform others of the diagnosis, and nothing happens automatically.

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/exposure-notification/

Edit: My biggest problem with this is if it's exploitable by poor coding already in place, and that's an issue on or off. Also that they have made it so easy to not use (at least on purpose by phone owner) that it's very unlikely to offer a benefit. Better than being forced to use it, but I hope 3rd parties can prove it's a trustworthy system as it could be helpful. Apple and google thought making it anonymous, decentralized, and Bluetooth signal area based (not GPS or location based) will still make more turn it on. I know people I am around, but going to store or other public places it would help to know I was around someone in past 2 weeks that was infected and didn't know it. The Who and where doesn't really matter.

This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 10:55 pm

Posted by prplhze2000

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Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:18 am to tigereye58

Why do you think they ran blackberry out?

Posted by the LSUSaint

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Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:03 am to lsunurse

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Totally an authorized thing and requires no permission from the person tested.

On a fricking app to the public? You're a complete moron.

Posted by Gorilla Ball

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Posted on 5/22/20 at 6:54 am to KLSU

I don’t understand the drama

Posted by lsunurse

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Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:02 am to the LSUSaint

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On a fricking app to the public?

If it didn’t give out your specific name....it’s not violating anything

Like Bluegrass mentioned in her example a few posts above.

We’ve had exposures at my hospital for other things (pertussis, etc). We have mailed letters to people that were registered in the ER the same time to let them know they might have been exposed. Didn’t violate any privacy there because no specific information given. Have worked with our local public health numerous times on TB exposures so they could do contact tracing on a larger scale if necessary.

Would imagine this app works in similar fashion.