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re: Interview Techniques and Salary Negotiation
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:10 am to Mud_Till_May
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:10 am to Mud_Till_May
I negotiated my salary once. Got more than I thought I would. Was the highest paid dept head at the hospital. The bad thing is..you could tell the administration knew it and resented it. Made it hard from the get go.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:19 am to Mud_Till_May
The biggest problem with interviews these days is everyone thinks theirs some special series of questions that can truly delineate people. I once interviewed for an entry level IT job and the idiot asked me three questions about my experience and six about dumb shite like do I think pineapple should be on pizza and if I had a superpower what would it be. 
I took another job.
I think this shite must’ve gotten popular with the big tech industry in the 80s. Now everyone wants to ask weird shite. Sure, working for Google is different, and their employees are different, so the interview should be different. But I’ve known small businesses that do things like make cabinets or sell clothes that ask those weird questions. You don’t need to know the dishwasher’s five year plan.
I know that the CIA used to ask people if they’d rather change a tire or hang upside down for five minutes. But most of it today is either “hey, this billion dollar company asks this so it must be important” or it’s another method by which a bloated HR department justifies their existence.
You really can’t glean much about someone from a 30 minute interview about their experience and knowledge that you don’t already get from their CV. Therefore, the interview should focus on whether or not you think the person would work well with the company … if you’re in the business of dumbshit hypotheticals, then ask away, otherwise just try to get to know the person. Ask about shite that their work history, licenses, and recommendations don’t tell you.
But that’s just my opinion.
I took another job. I think this shite must’ve gotten popular with the big tech industry in the 80s. Now everyone wants to ask weird shite. Sure, working for Google is different, and their employees are different, so the interview should be different. But I’ve known small businesses that do things like make cabinets or sell clothes that ask those weird questions. You don’t need to know the dishwasher’s five year plan.
I know that the CIA used to ask people if they’d rather change a tire or hang upside down for five minutes.
But most of it today is either “hey, this billion dollar company asks this so it must be important” or it’s another method by which a bloated HR department justifies their existence. You really can’t glean much about someone from a 30 minute interview about their experience and knowledge that you don’t already get from their CV. Therefore, the interview should focus on whether or not you think the person would work well with the company … if you’re in the business of dumbshit hypotheticals, then ask away, otherwise just try to get to know the person. Ask about shite that their work history, licenses, and recommendations don’t tell you.
But that’s just my opinion.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 7:24 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:27 am to SlapahoeTribe
I've never been asked what I wanted to make. I've been asked what my current salary is but never what I wanted. When getting an offer, I normally respond with "I'm sorry, but that's just not enough incentive to leave my current position".
If I get nothing, means they wouldn't be able to keep me satisfied longterm compensationwise.
If I get nothing, means they wouldn't be able to keep me satisfied longterm compensationwise.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:04 am to Screaming Viking
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I have a rule when interviewing people - if your resume is 3 pages or longer, i will not even start the interview. If you are a jumper, i will not spend my time training you. Period.
I have only hired one person that brought up money during the first visit.
You probably own/manage a small business with low skill labor then. In the hyper competitive corporate world, job hopping is now the norm, especially in banking, finance, etc. And the companies have only themselves to blame. They don't reward loyalty. If anything they question the competency of a loyal employee because they wonder why other companies aren't trying to steal them. And these companies delight in stealing the talent of a competitor. High skill is generally transferable from job to job without much training so turnover isn't a big deal.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:08 am to Mud_Till_May
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I want to teach you my tricks.
Pecker alter? if you need "tricks" you must be bringing an inferior product to the table
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:09 am to MillerLiteTime
Companies dont want to train you
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:35 am to Screaming Viking
quote:Weird rule. I mean I guess if the positions don't require much skill it could work out for you.
I have a rule when interviewing people - if your resume is 3 pages or longer, i will not even start the interview. If you are a jumper, i will not spend my time training you. Period.
Here's the thing about "jumpers". They are driven, ambitious, and they know their value. They are savvy enough to win at the game that the current "corporate climate" has created.
Here is what your silly rule says to me: I don't like spending money to train new people, but I also don't like spending money to keep good employees. You feel that employees owe you something, and that is just not the case.
Like that other guy said, "you think you are worth twice what I'm paying". Well frick you for offering half what I'm worth.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:41 am to SlapahoeTribe
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I once interviewed for an entry level IT job and the idiot asked me three questions about my experience and six about dumb shite like do I think pineapple should be on pizza and if I had a superpower what would it be. I took another job.
Jesus. I've been to some job interviews where I was asked stupid questions but this takes the cake. I would have got up and left.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:43 am to Korkstand
Had a phone interview last week and they asked me how much I want to make. I told them a million dollars. I thought I was being modest as I would like to make a billion dollars. They haven’t contacted me back.
They also asked me what my favorite subject in school was before the salary question. This was for a national director of sales, and that’s the kind of stupid questions they ask, on the phone.
I know it was just an initial phone interview, but it was a complete waste of my time.
They also asked me what my favorite subject in school was before the salary question. This was for a national director of sales, and that’s the kind of stupid questions they ask, on the phone.
I know it was just an initial phone interview, but it was a complete waste of my time.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:45 am to jeffsdad
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.you could tell the administration knew it and resented it.
that's a bad policy for your salary info to be put out there unless you're a corporate officer for a publicly traded company, or something similar
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:49 am to Mud_Till_May
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Question: what is your salary requirements?
Now that you have interviewing and salary negotiation down, you should focus on your writing and grammar skills.
I've provided one of the many examples in your wall of text.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:05 am to Mud_Till_May
I’m not in the sales field, but when potential new hires start making the process more difficult than it needs to be, I write them off as a high maintenance employee and don’t move forward.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:15 pm to Mud_Till_May
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Question: what is your salary requirements?
Answer: Have two numbers and say it like this.
I want to make $100,000 dollars. But I will take 50. A trick is ask for something outlandish that you know they wont accept but then the second number doesnt seem so bad. It also makes them think they are getting a better deal.
Absolutely worst advice ever... how about you just go in there having done your research...? What does the job pay? What does the "market" pay for similar positions? Certainly don't sell yourself short, and ALWAYS negotiate, but if you ask for double what it pays, then you might as well not show up. Be reasonable when you ask for a higher salary and be ready to explain why it's justified for YOU. If you can't do that well, then you don't deserve even a penny extra.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:52 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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The biggest problem with interviews these days is everyone thinks theirs some special series of questions that can truly delineate people. I once interviewed for an entry level IT job and the idiot asked me three questions about my experience and six about dumb shite like do I think pineapple should be on pizza and if I had a superpower what would it be. I took another job.
I think this shite must’ve gotten popular with the big tech industry in the 80s. Now everyone wants to ask weird shite. Sure, working for Google is different, and their employees are different, so the interview should be different. But I’ve known small businesses that do things like make cabinets or sell clothes that ask those weird questions. You don’t need to know the dishwasher’s five year plan.
I know that the CIA used to ask people if they’d rather change a tire or hang upside down for five minutes. But most of it today is either “hey, this billion dollar company asks this so it must be important” or it’s another method by which a bloated HR department justifies their existence.
You really can’t glean much about someone from a 30 minute interview about their experience and knowledge that you don’t already get from their CV. Therefore, the interview should focus on whether or not you think the person would work well with the company … if you’re in the business of dumbshit hypotheticals, then ask away, otherwise just try to get to know the person. Ask about shite that their work history, licenses, and recommendations don’t tell you.
But that’s just my opinion.
HR regulations make that hard. Every one has to get asked the same questions. That’s why most places use the same script you can find off of a google search to do their interviews. The key is always the small interactions in between the questions. They know by your resume if you’re qualified or not. They just want to know you’re not a weird frick.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:25 pm to Mud_Till_May
Or in the government job interview scenario, you have one hiring manager who you’ll actually be working for while some monotone HR drone facilitates the entire interview.
Both you and the hiring manager have an unspoken harmony because you both silently despise the HR recruiter shill. Your resume alone was 10x more informative than the whole interview.
A month later, HR offers you a lame salary and can’t budge because of some department compensation policy of steps, tiers, witchcraft, and bullshite.
All I want is to be a government employee but I can’t because the government employees are too “good” at being government employees.
Both you and the hiring manager have an unspoken harmony because you both silently despise the HR recruiter shill. Your resume alone was 10x more informative than the whole interview.
A month later, HR offers you a lame salary and can’t budge because of some department compensation policy of steps, tiers, witchcraft, and bullshite.
All I want is to be a government employee but I can’t because the government employees are too “good” at being government employees.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:25 am to biglego
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Never made sense to me why salary talk is taboo at a job interview. Why must either side pretend money is not important.
There is no perfect way to hire people. I want to figure out the personality of the individual in the first talk. If money is the #1 priority from day one, then I am probably not hiring that person. They need to value the training that my company offers, and the opportunity that they have in working for me.
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You probably own/manage a small business with low skill labor then. In the hyper competitive corporate world, job hopping is now the norm, especially in banking, finance, etc. And the companies have only themselves to blame. They don't reward loyalty. If anything they question the competency of a loyal employee because they wonder why other companies aren't trying to steal them. And these companies delight in stealing the talent of a competitor. High skill is generally transferable from job to job without much training so turnover isn't a big deal.
I manage 7 salesmen. In this industry, people moving is very common. However, I prefer to train someone from outside my industry, rather than break an old dog of existing habits. We do agree 100% that positive traits are transferable.
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Here is what your silly rule says to me: I don't like spending money to train new people, but I also don't like spending money to keep good employees. You feel that employees owe you something, and that is just not the case.
Quite the contrary is true. I spend an inordinate amount of time and money training. Thus, I will not waste my time on someone who will leave when a competitor offers them $5000 more annually in a base salary.
For the record, the three top salesmen are the highest paid individuals in this company. I would have it no other way. They have earned it. Not so coincidentally, they have been with me the longest.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:52 am to Scooba
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Bullfrog introduced me to the art of salary negotiations. My first attempt wasn’t flawless but worked out extremely well in my favor. If you’re valuable to your company, then you could be valuable to someone else. When you’re in demand, your value increases. Put yourself out there and don’t settle with a miserable job or mediocre salary. True Story
Literally my first negotiation went like this:
Company: We want to offer you X
Me: Based on my skills and the current market rate, I would like Y
Company: We can't do Y but we can go just under Y
Me: If you send me an offer letter today it is done
I had NO IDEA wtf I was doing but got an extra 10%
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:59 am to Screaming Viking
quote:Probably because you aren't hiring smart and ambitious people.
Quite the contrary is true. I spend an inordinate amount of time and money training.
quote:Do you not seek maximum value from whatever it is you're selling? It is crazy to not expect your employees to do the same with their time.
Thus, I will not waste my time on someone who will leave when a competitor offers them $5000 more annually in a base salary.
You are basically asking people to pay you $5k per year for the privilege of working for you. Who the frick are you?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:02 am to MillerLiteTime
quote:This is what confuses me about a lot of companies.
They don't reward loyalty.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:18 am to Korkstand
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Probably because you aren't hiring smart and ambitious people.
I have made more than my share of mistakes. No excuses.
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Do you not seek maximum value from whatever it is you're selling? It is crazy to not expect your employees to do the same with their time. You are basically asking people to pay you $5k per year for the privilege of working for you. Who the frick are you?
Good Lord, relax. You will take this the wrong way, but you don't know what you are talking specific to my industry. There are salesmen for competitors that make double the base salary than mine do. Mine get paid much higher commission rate. Those guys are lazy. Mine go make things happen, and ultimately make more money than our competitors.
In short, if you want to learn, and not afraid to hustle, you are in control of your own income. Problem is that too many people "expect" too much money before proving themselves.
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