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re: Insurance companies may have to junk your car if your EVs are damaged in a accident
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:07 am to Korkstand
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:07 am to Korkstand
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ICE vehicles are at least 10x more likely to catch fire than an EV.
How long does it take each vehicle type to become engulfed in flame?
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:08 am to bayoudude
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Dumb argument 9/10 it’s the rest of the car that falls apart before engine failure. Wheel bearings, ball joints, control arms, drive shafts etc are far more common than an ice being a complete loss.
I wonder what's going to happen to the used EV market once we have enough people that get burned by a battery replacement? Would you buy an 8 yr old EV?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:11 am to imjustafatkid
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How long does it take each vehicle type to become engulfed in flame?
Like most things in life, it depends. Cells can rupture violently and go quickly and gas tanks can burst open and ignite aggressively.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:12 am to fallguy_1978
It's a good point. Currently people are buying EVs under 5 years old at a good clip. After that is an honest question to consider
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:14 am to fallguy_1978
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I wonder what's going to happen to the used EV market once we have enough people that get burned by a battery replacement?
It's not going to be as bad as people think. All the numbers being thrown around right now do not take many factors into account. By the time we see any significant volume of re-powering EVs it'll be in the couple thousand range.
quote:
Would you buy an 8 yr old EV?
Maybe. Depends on the battery degradation. Which you can check on the dashboard. I would have more concerns about an 8 year old ICE because I have limted ways of checking the remaining life (leak down, comp check, etc)
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:27 am to Hopeful Doc
quote:More expensive than what?
Wait. So they’re more expensive,
quote:They breakdown and incur maintenance costs wayyyyyy less than ICE vehicles, so...
fragile
quote:Isn't it like 2 years? Why would you qualify that as "well later" in the life cycle when it's pretty early on?
and aren’t any more environmentally friendly until well later In their life cycle?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:47 am to SloaneRanger
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At some point it is going to dawn on people just how impractical and destructive it will be to move to widespread use of EVs.
Just like getting rid of paper bags ‘for the environment’ in favor of plastic bags. How’d that shite work out for ya? These assholes don’t think this shite through.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:56 am to Korkstand
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Pretty sure the downvotes are because I said something negative about ICE.
I gave you another one for being non-committal
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:08 am to Korkstand
quote:Its because there is a massive difference between and engine bay fire in an ICE vehicle and a battery fire in a Tesla.
You know why
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:36 am to Byrdybyrd05
The concerning thing is that insurers will spread the added expense across all types of insured vehicles to avoid a premium on EVs. As if auto insurance ain't high enough now...
I am all in on "renewable" (for lack of a better term) but mandated changes in technology only works when the market has already developed the technology. It is might near impossibility to legislate technological advances....
I am all in on "renewable" (for lack of a better term) but mandated changes in technology only works when the market has already developed the technology. It is might near impossibility to legislate technological advances....
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:56 am to UncleFestersLegs
quote:Wait, what?
I've watched my RC models plow into the ground and the lithium battery turns into an instant inferno. Not rushing out to buy an ev
Now imagine your big ICE vehicle crashing into the ground with the same comparable rate of force...you don't think that would be an instant inferno?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 12:44 pm to shel311
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Now imagine your big ICE vehicle crashing into the ground with the same comparable rate of force...you don't think that would be an instant inferno?
Nitromethane planes have never ignited when I did dumb stuff.
Now boats... Boats are just time delayed fuses. Gas or battery.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:05 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I guess that you are not supposed to ship them as deck cargo no a saltwater ferry ether.
Electric cars being transported on an open deck burst into flames as saltwater shorts their batteries????????????
I wonder how well they will last before the road salt in the northern states turns them into an inferno.
Electric cars being transported on an open deck burst into flames as saltwater shorts their batteries????????????
I wonder how well they will last before the road salt in the northern states turns them into an inferno.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:05 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I guess that you are not supposed to ship them as deck cargo no a saltwater ferry ether.
Electric cars being transported on an open deck burst into flames as saltwater shorts their batteries????????????
I wonder how well they will last before the road salt in the northern states turns them into an inferno.
Electric cars being transported on an open deck burst into flames as saltwater shorts their batteries????????????
I wonder how well they will last before the road salt in the northern states turns them into an inferno.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:07 pm to X123F45
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Nitromethane planes have never ignited when I did dumb stuff.
That has more to do with the characteristics of nitromethane. It doesn't act crazy at normal pressures, hell it's barely flammable until pressurized.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:25 pm to billjamin
I mean I barrel rolled an SUV about 6 or 7 times before smashing into a tree and it didn't catch fire either.
This is like 1995 SUV
This is like 1995 SUV
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:30 pm to X123F45
Diesel is even safer than that.
We've got the "keep the fuel tank from exploding" thing pretty well figured out these days.
Metal fires are no joke. Big arse Lithium batteries don't give me much comfort either.
We've got the "keep the fuel tank from exploding" thing pretty well figured out these days.
Metal fires are no joke. Big arse Lithium batteries don't give me much comfort either.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:35 pm to ImaObserver
quote:Are you under the assumption that no one in northern states have owned EVs over the past decade?
I wonder how well they will last before the road salt in the northern states turns them into an inferno.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:08 pm to Cajun Voltaire
quote:That article looks at only fatal crashes, a subset which it specifically says results in too small a sample size to draw a meaningful conclusion. There is literally 1 data point for an EV fire in that subset.
10 times... bahhhahhhha
But yes, my estimate of 10 times is kind of funny because it's more like ICE vehicles are 50 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. That is based on fires per 100k vehicles sold of each type.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:10 pm to White Bear
quote:Yes, literally. My 10x estimate was very conservative in favor of ICE, thus "at least".quote:
ICE vehicles are at least 10x more likely to catch fire than an EV.
I mean, like, literally, right.
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