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re: I'm taking legal action against the Office of Motor Vehicles
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:12 am to StTiger
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:12 am to StTiger
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Also, SSN is required to claim your kid as a dependent. Are you just forgoing a 2k credit?
Yep.
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so now you have to go fill out the form in person. But also, if you want the permit, which requires the information register with selective service automatically
Nope… the law requires he give his personal information. That is legally defined by law as Name, address and birthday.
Everyone is making the same assumption you are. Read the law, read everything else. I’m correct. Trust me, I’ve been at this for a while.
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:20 am to eitek1
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Yep
Ah, I see now. You are just dumb. Congrats on kicking the can down the road for your son to deal with
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the law requires he give his personal information
Personal information for registering with selective service. that shifts the definition of personal information from Louisiana statute to selective service. If you do not have one, you have to apply by mail. OMV can not and will not because the law requires them to submit the info to Selective service. Selective service specifically states how you must register if no ssn
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 1:21 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:20 am to eitek1
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All the licenses including TIP card
Why are you using the letter from social security that you used when you got the TIP card before he was allowed to take driver’s ed?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:27 am to StTiger
Also, maybe you think this is dumb and that's OK. It's the principle of it all.
If he has to fill out the form via mail like everyone has done since the Selective Service Act was enacted, so be it.
The simple fact stands social security is a voluntary program and it always has been. You can not be compelled to sign up. Everything you will read will infer something different (like DMV policy), but it's just false.
If he has to fill out the form via mail like everyone has done since the Selective Service Act was enacted, so be it.
The simple fact stands social security is a voluntary program and it always has been. You can not be compelled to sign up. Everything you will read will infer something different (like DMV policy), but it's just false.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:29 am to BigBinBR
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Why are you using the letter from social security that you used when you got the TIP card before he was allowed to take driver’s ed?
I don't understand the question. He never got a letter from social security.
Also, he's going for his TIP card not Learners Permit. I should have been more clear in my first post.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:32 am to eitek1
So you're suing the DMV for not giving your son a learners permit, because he doesn't have a social security number, because you refused to allow him to have one?
I don't know what kind of advice to give you. You sound like a nutball.
I don't know what kind of advice to give you. You sound like a nutball.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:34 am to eitek1
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Also, he's going for his TIP card not Learners Permit. I should have been more clear in my first post.
To get a TIP card you are required either to provide either a social security card/verification or a letter from the social security administration stating that there is no SSN.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:53 am to eitek1
I support your effort eitek1. We all sit around moaning and bitching but we never do anything about it. We all bitch about paying SS and how it has a suck return but we just put on our little cuck hats and take it.
I have no clue how this will end but good for you for fighting.
I have no clue how this will end but good for you for fighting.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:56 am to BigBinBR
Is this the federal law you are going on about?
There are exceptions
Main one is required by federal statute which is... Drum roll ... Taxes!
Therefore.... Drumroll.... SSN is not voluntary and required to legally work in the US!
So your principle is dumb and founded on ignorance. You are willfully forgoing a tax credit available to you solely because you did not pull out and that is just absurd.
Zero out of five stars.
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§ 802.23 Use and disclosure of social security numbers.
(a) In general. An individual shall not be denied any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his or her social security number.
There are exceptions
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(b) Exceptions. The provisions of paragraph (a) of this section do not apply with respect to:
(1) Any disclosure which is required by Federal statute, or
(2) The disclosure of a social security number to any Federal, State, or local agency maintaining a system of records in existence and operating before January 1, 1975, if such disclosure was required under statute or regulation adopted prior to such date to verify the identity of an individual.
Main one is required by federal statute which is... Drum roll ... Taxes!
Therefore.... Drumroll.... SSN is not voluntary and required to legally work in the US!
So your principle is dumb and founded on ignorance. You are willfully forgoing a tax credit available to you solely because you did not pull out and that is just absurd.
Zero out of five stars.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:05 am to BigBinBR
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To get a TIP card you are required either to provide either a social security card/verification or a letter from the social security administration stating that there is no SSN.
The text you quoted is likely from OMV policy 41.00
This is inconsistent with both state and federal law.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:09 am to StTiger
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Main one is required by federal statute which is... Drum roll ... Taxes! Therefore.... Drumroll.... SSN is not voluntary and required to legally work in the US!
Since you truly seem to have a handle on this, please post the actual law that requires you to have a social security number to work in the United States.
I have heard you need a social security number for everything and when I dig into it, it’s all just a belief and not based on the law.
You may be absolutely correct and if it’s that obvious, finding the actual law must be pretty easy and I think you are up to it.
I’ll patiently await your next post.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:11 am to BHM
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I support your effort eitek1. We all sit around moaning and bitching but we never do anything about it. We all bitch about paying SS and how it has a suck return but we just put on our little cuck hats and take it. I have no clue how this will end but good for you for fighting.
Thanks, I think you “get it”. Most folks won’t.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:31 am to StTiger
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It is 100% required to get a job. And it is required to register online with selective service,
He doesn't want his kid to get A SS card, you think he's concerned about him registering for Selective Service................
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:40 am to eitek1
Definitely keep us posted on this. Every win against the insanity of government is a step in the right direction. Just sucks that this stuff has to be decided by government employees...judges. 
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:57 am to eitek1
I dont get it. What are you accomplishing? You arent saving him from being subject to SS contributions. The examples you used were all options available to anyone whether or not they have a SS #.
If anything, you are costing him $ by missing out on the child tax credit. That's $ you could be investing for his sake, spending on his needs, or investing it for yourself and he may inherit it someday.
I just dont see any advantage he will have by not getting a SS#. Dealing w govt and corporate bureaucracy is difficult enough why create more friction in his life?
If anything, you are costing him $ by missing out on the child tax credit. That's $ you could be investing for his sake, spending on his needs, or investing it for yourself and he may inherit it someday.
I just dont see any advantage he will have by not getting a SS#. Dealing w govt and corporate bureaucracy is difficult enough why create more friction in his life?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:58 am to eitek1
IRS direct
IRS requires SSN
Title 26 Internal Revenue Code
Section 6109 Use of Identifying Numbers
Authorization of the IRS
The US Constitution Amendment 16
Other number that can be used on a tax return + requirements
ITIN
IRS requires SSN
Title 26 Internal Revenue Code
Section 6109 Use of Identifying Numbers
Authorization of the IRS
The US Constitution Amendment 16
Other number that can be used on a tax return + requirements
ITIN
Posted on 11/9/24 at 4:26 am to eitek1
Buddy of mine testified at the Capitol about insurance from another state while holding on to his La. driver's license. He lived here for 20 years, sons moved and graduated from college, so he sold everything and moved back to Mississippi, but kept his La. driver's license. He's from the Kiln and comes back to La. frequently. So, when he left, he told his local insurance what he was doing and they said they couldn't cover him over there, so he dropped his insurance here and got the same in Ms, even the same company. Came back to register his new truck, and there was a red flag, no insurance. He walks out to his truck, returns with his proof of insurance, and the DMV said you would have to pay a re-instatement penalty of 300 bucks and he would be fine. He did, and I got word about it and contacted my state rep. Military can have out of state insurance, but nobody else if they choose to keep their La. license. After testifying in B.R., the DMV told him they would get him his money back. He's still waiting and its been two years since he testified. Good luck with that.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 4:55 am to Cosmo
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Uh, pretty sure you still have to pay SS taxes even without a SS number
He absolutely will still pay SS taxes. But without a SS number he won't be able to collect the benefits.
So the OP is making his son's life complicated to absolutely no benefit to either of them. So that's why people are calling him stupid
Posted on 11/9/24 at 5:10 am to eitek1
I would love to witness a conversation between you and a co-worker of mine. He tells me that things such as speed limits are illegal on private vehicles. He claims it only applies to vehicles that are used for commerce. He said that anything that isn’t specifically laid out in the constitution is illegal. Claims that that the FBI, CIA, EPA and any of these agencies are illegal because they have no constitutional right to exist. He says congress had no authority to create them.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 5:11 am to eitek1
You seem to have a valid case and I wish you well but as others have said you son will likely have other related issues down the road.
Your time might be better invested in supporting bills that allow alternate investment of social security taxes.
Regardless, good luck!!
Your time might be better invested in supporting bills that allow alternate investment of social security taxes.
Regardless, good luck!!
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