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re: Im old. I hate kids nowaday. I hate NIL deals. Kids so soft nowadays.

Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:53 am to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:53 am to
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yea thats it...im so dumb for having a different opinion than you


No, youre dumb for saying something is not a monopoly because there’s other options in another country. Truly beyond comprehension how stupid that is

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is your contention that the court didnt tell a vol private org what they could and couldnt do as far as rules go?


Of course not. If you could read you’d know that

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why dont you go back to telling everyone how in shape you are and how bad arse you are....all 160 lbs with 15% bodyfat


And still as strong as you. Tough look
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:55 am to
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God damn baw lmao


He’s a civil engineer he’s smarter than everyone. Don’t believe me, just as him.

Reminder- that most basic engineering degree is also from the Ivey McNesse Stat University
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6161 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:56 am to
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belief is they were not breaking anti trust laws


nobody cares what your beliefs are. They don't matter in this situation

The courts interpretation is the only thing that matters

Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:01 am to
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So, like any other student.


But prior to the transfer portal an athlete had to sit out a year not like a non athlete student. This is the biggest problem.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:03 am to
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But prior to the transfer portal an athlete had to sit out a year not like a non athlete student.


While the coaches and administrators got to hop around for 7 figure raises at will
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13462 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:08 pm to
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i likely won’t read a dumber comment today


That assessment says more about you than it does the comment.

No one who ever participated in college athletics was forced to do so involuntarily, and no one is entitled to do so either. I don't know whether the NCAA legitimately meets the legal definition of a monopoly or not, nor do I really care.

We're talking about people hoping for a career in entertainment. We're not talking about utilities that can mean someone freezes to death in the winter if they get shut out of it, or something that will affect commerce for the whole economy, like the air travel industry or trucking. We're talking about a relatively inconsequential endeavor that only a small percentage of people will ever be successful in no matter what.

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CAPITALISM, CAPITALISM, CAPITALISM (except with college athletes because I liked the game better when they couldn’t get their market value)


It's not a violation of free market principles in the least for two private parties to agree to an arrangement in which one or both voluntarily limits opportunities for the consideration of the benefits afforded by the agreement.

Which is what kids signing with schools to receive a scholarship (and expert coaching, and training, and nutritional advice, and television exposure) with an NCAA member school were doing.

"I give up my right to pursue the following opportunities that I otherwise would be free to pursue, and I do so to receive the following benefits."

That's not anti-capitalism. At all.

It's the same thing as signing a non-compete contract or agreeing that any inventions you develop remain the intellectual property of the company you work for. It's the same as professional agreements made every day in a multitude of industries and fields.

If you don't like or agree to those terms, you simply don't sign the contract.

All that said, if people are dumb enough to donate money to pay these kids millions of dollars to play minor league football, that's fine with me. Doesn't bother me at all.

I just don't like B.S. And what you wrote was mostly B.S. IMO.



This post was edited on 12/31/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20097 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:11 pm to
The NIL makes me sick.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13462 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:12 pm to
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But prior to the transfer portal an athlete had to sit out a year not like a non athlete student.


They also got benefits that a non athlete student didn't get.

My daughter majored in theatre in college. So she was hoping for a career in entertainment, same as the football players.

They got featured on national t.v. a dozen times a year.

None of her theatre productions got featured on t.v.

That directly benefitted those players. Even the ones who won't make it to the pros. After their eligibility is up they will still be remembered fondly by millions of fans in their state, so if they open an insurance office or car lot or when they go for jobs, they have notoriety and name recognition that non athlete students don't get.
This post was edited on 12/31/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13462 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:15 pm to
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While the coaches and administrators got to hop around for 7 figure raises at will


Well, yeah.

They were actual employees.

The students weren't.
Posted by Mr Clean
Power I-Formation
Member since Aug 2006
53514 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:18 pm to
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I'm old


Same

I get irrationally angry about 7-year-old kids driving around in $20,000 golf carts
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33601 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:40 am to
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Im damn proud to be alive in the 80s and 90s when real men played sports. There some legends rolling over in their graves at these wussies playin sports now.
Damn straight.

Like that Whit Weeks injury today. Most players back then would have walked it off after they popped their ankle back in place. Probably wouldn’t have missed but a few plays.

But that pussy Whit let them put a boot on him and take him off in a cart, and he missed the rest of the game.
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
8230 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 3:02 am to
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they are some soft, think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter, cant work ground level jobs and work ur way up.


Acceptance Rate of Harvard 1980: 18%
Acceptance Rate of Harvard 2024: 3%

It is 6x as difficult to attain a Harvard or Ivy League degree today than 1980. Your average young Harvard grad is much, much smarter today than Harvard grads who are over 50 years old. It is also 2x to 3x as difficult to attain a house today than 1980. Data below.

It's the opposite. College is much harder today than ever with new advanced material discovered and competing against a lot more people. Acceptance rates to top colleges are lower today than ever have been in the past because there are the same amount of seats, but growing population and higher percent of people go to college now. 60% more people exist in addition to 60% more amongst entire population attend college today than 80s/90s. Yet the seat count stays the same.

Also, Boomers had it easiest in terms of affording a house. Average income 50 years ago was only 1/3rd of how much average house costs. Today it is 1/7th. Meaning younger people have to work 7/3rds or 233% harder than boomers to buy a house.

Your bias is not supported by facts. I provided proof backed data. Your argument is solely based on bias and emotions.

Data trumps bias and emotions 110 out of 100 times, every time because your average person's thoughts are incredibly unreliable... while data is reliable.

And you know what, the generation in 50 years will probably have it harder than kids today. World gets more competitive. I went to an Ivy League on scholarship. I kind of get irritated that my university's acceptance rate was 7x as high in 1980 as today. Meaning that my classmates were much more competitive and smarter than those who graduated from my uni in 1980. I'm sure kids who attend in 30 years will feel the same, when the acceptance rate at my alma mater is 0.5% and my acceptance rate was 4-5%. And that's perfectly understandable.

But do not pretend that kids today are lazy, entitled, and don't work hard, when that's just not true. Maybe your kids are, but in general it isn't. You can't afford to not work hard as a younger adult today.

As for your argument about NIL, college football programs like LSU, Bama, Ohio State are bringing in over $100,000,000+ a year in revenue. I'd be shocked if 1980 to 1990 brought in even 1/10th that amount. It is a massive business today that makes 1980 college football look like High School today. If the money is there 20x today compared to 1980, then it should be split like NIL. There simply wasn't the money in college football in 1980 to do that like today.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 3:58 am
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
8230 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 3:26 am to
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this country is goin to hell


Let me guess... You're a redneck that lives in some small town like Zachary or Livingston Parish.

The US is actually thriving way more today than any period prior, especially the 80s and 90s. The S&P 500 has increased at over 15%+ per year for the last decade. From 1980 to 2010 it barely increased at all. 401k's have skyrocketed in the last 10 years, the same time you say the country has gone to hell, when in fact 401k's went to hell from 1990 to 2010. Every smart, rich international citizen puts their earnings straight into the S&P 500 and don't touch their countries' stock market. Every major Tech company is HQ'd here. 18 of 20 largest market cap companies are HQ'd in the US. The companies that will own the world (Amazon, Nvidia, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Tesla) all are centered in the US and show 0 sign of slowing growth with 25% year over year net income growths. AI was started and pretty much completely US centered. Quantum computing, the next thing in 10 years will also be US created and centered.

US has 50 of the world's top 100 universities. 50% despite 4% population. Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton, Stanford acceptance rates are all 3% to 4%. No other university outside the US has an acceptance rate of even below 15%. That includes Oxford, Cambridge, and U London. That is how competitive the US is. Immigrant green card acceptance rate is 2%. Only 1 in 50 get accepted because it is competitive to get citizenship here. US has won most medals at olympics since 1996. Most gold medals since 2012. The US lost a lot of Summer Olympcs to Eastern Europe in the 80s and 90s. Now the US wins total medal count and gold medal count every Summer Olympics today.

The dollar has gained on every single currency the last 5 years. There isn't one single currency of the hundreds of different types and countries that has gained value on the US Dollar in the last 5 years. 1 euro equaled to $1.40 in 2009. It is now $1.04 per Euro. Soon the USD will surpass the Euro.

The US and Canada were equal in 2011 in GDP Per Capita. Both countries were around $52k. Today, the US GDP Per Capita is $83k while Canada is at $55k. What was equal is now the US leading Canada by 60% in GDP per Capita.

The US now spends as much on military as the entire rest of the world combined does.

Homicide and Violent crime rates today are now 50% lower than what it was per capita in the 1980s and 1990s. The country is much safer with now only 1 murder per 2 murders of back then. Search on google "Homicide rate since 1980 in US graph" if you don't believe that. It's actually believed to be from lead poisoning of the generation born from 1940 to 1960. There is an extreme coorelation between lead measurements in the air and homicide/violent crime rate. It is almost identical in the slopes, peaks, and bottoms. Lead poisoning is known to alter the brain and caused someone to be more violent than usual.

I just hit you with tonna facts as to why the US is a much, much better country today than the 80s and 90s.. moreso than any other comment in this post that will revert to bias and ad hominem. Data, facts is always the best way to go in any argument. The US is dominating and thriving in the world even more so than the 80s and 90s. It is on the upswing to new heights, especially with all the major tech centered here, both AI and I think eventually quantum along with how dominant our higher education is.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 4:03 am
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24141 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:52 am to
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i dont really like the court ruling as I looked at this as a internship

bro what?

This isn’t about the NCAA changing its rules. If they profit off your name, they have to pay you.

“True student athletes” would guess what? Have to be paid if they’re profiting off their likeness
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39628 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 7:00 am to
Preach.



Facts are hard for people to accept when they try to get all their news from Fox or CNN.

If you removed 5-6 urban cities from violent crime stats, violent crime would be so rare, it would almost be non-existent.

If you can't be an economic success in this country, you need to take a hard look in the mirror.

America is the greatest country on Earth and that's why people die trying to get here.


Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6385 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 7:52 am to
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It’s unsustainable


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If I had a dollar for every time I’ve read these two words on TD, LSU wouldn’t have been outbid for Bryce Underwood.


It’s almost as if they disregard that high money boosters and the like have been paying players for decades and still seem to be doing alright. I don’t expect to see anything change there
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13462 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:14 am to
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Your average young Harvard grad is much, much smarter today than Harvard grads who are over 50 years old.


Surely you don't really think that's what that means.

When I took the SAT and ACT in 1987 we got exactly zero coaching or "teaching to the test," and I didn't know a single person who took any SAT prep courses. I guess they existed then, but we didn't know about it.

Now the schools teach to the test like mothers, and everybody who aspires to an Ivy League school takes a prep course.

Studying the material that's going to be on the test doesn't make anyone "smarter." If you think Ivy League students are smarter now than they were then, go visit some of their protests during which they illegally occupy campus buildings and then give press conferences whining about the school not feeding them, or wear "Queers for Palestine" shirts while oblivious to the fact that being queer in Palestine gets you 10 years in prison.

Not to mention, a lot of those admission slots now go for DEI admissions—which wasn't the case back then.

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College is much harder today than ever with new advanced material discovered and competing against a lot more people.


That's ridiculous. My wife teaches at the college level in a major university. Students now earn almost nothing. They decide what grade they want and "negotiate" with the professor if they don't get it for "extra credit" assignments so that they can get their A. And of course 95% of the professors let them get away with it, because they are afraid of the "instructor evaluations" (which also didn't exist back in 1980), students hand in which foolishly do matter in most schools for faculty promotions and raises.

Also—and this is a studied fact—cheating is MUCH more rampant now than it was in 1980, from high school through college.

Also, just go to YouTube around the 4th of July and watch the various videos of college students being interviewed celebrating the holiday who can't tell you who the US won independence from.

I employed college students and recent graduates in my company and I think if anything they know less than we did at their age. And not just about history. Math, too.

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Meaning younger people have to work 7/3rds or 233% harder than boomers to buy a house.


Again, not necessarily. You're leaving out that in 1981, for example, the interest rate was around 18%. Unless you're buying a house with cash, that makes a huge difference in your mortgage payment. You're also leaving out that average home prices increased by around 50% between 1970 and 1980. You're ALSO leaving out that the average house now is 40% larger than the average house in 1980, and that today the baseline for appointments is significantly higher. So yeah, the houses are more expensive, but a large part of that is because they are bigger and nicer. In 1980 houses were still being built in many places in the country without central air, for example, so no need for ductwork or an AC unit.

When you consider all the factors in the cost of living equation instead of just the surface data, the gap isn't nearly as wide as young people claim. It's tougher today than it was in the 90s, but roughly the same as the 80s and only slightly tougher than the 70s and 60s.

The biggest difference is that you young people today have been filled full of victimhood and entitlement narrative.

I don't think young people today are lazy. I do think y'all are hella entitled. Like, by orders of magnitude greater than previous generations.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13462 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:19 am to
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This isn’t about the NCAA changing its rules. If they profit off your name, they have to pay you.

“True student athletes” would guess what? Have to be paid if they’re profiting off their likeness



The way to stop this reasoning is to start charging the athletes for their t.v. exposure.

If the schools owe the students for profiting off the exposure the students give the school, then the school should be able to profit off the exposure they give the athlete.

"We'll take 5% of your NFL contract, including the signing bonus."

If not, why not? It's the same logic.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:55 pm to
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But prior to the transfer portal an athlete had to sit out a year not like a non athlete student.

They also got benefits that a non athlete student didn't get. My daughter majored in theatre in college. So she was hoping for a career in entertainment, same as the football players. They got featured on national t.v. a dozen times a year. None of her theatre productions got featured on t.v. That directly benefitted those players. Even the ones who won't make it to the pros. After their eligibility is up they will still be remembered fondly by millions of fans in their state, so if they open an insurance office or car lot or when they go for jobs, they have notoriety and name recognition that non athlete students don't get.


Um…I’m not really sure how this compares but I guess if your daughter transferred from LSU to say Baylor in the middle of the Fall theater season she would not have to sit out the Spring theater season as a Baylor Bear. But that’s not really the question.

To be, or not to be? That is the question.

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