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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:26 pm to low end
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:26 pm to low end
We spend more money than needed! there are countries with a fraction of our spend that are educating their students well. Stfu about money
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:27 pm to SwampyWaters
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1. Removal of God from the classroom - sadly, these days you even mention God in the classroom, you could get written up, fired, or some radical group might show up outside your school protesting.
What does God have to do with education, seriously?
There’s a lot of reasons why education system is failing. The only impact God is having is people putting too much focus on religion in public schools and dragging everyone down as a result. School is about learning and gaining importance skills for life. God has nothing to do with it. Be religious, that’s great, you can get all that at church and home, or at a Christian school.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:30 pm to jrowla2
quote:Oh, dear friend
School is about learning and gaining importance skills for life. God has nothing to do with it. Be religious, that’s great, you can get all that at church and home, or at a Christian school.
Others have joined you in this thread and I have begun addressing this closed view on the previous page.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you have your world of facts, which should not be associated with values, and you have your world of feelings/beliefs/emotions, which contain by necessity no attachment to truth or falsehood...and the two shall never intersect?
Is that about the gist of it?
How did we get here?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:34 pm to Sofaking2
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Schools are nothing more than a reflection of the communities they serve. Good community and you have good schools and the same applies for bad schools.
This is 100 percent correct. The problem then becomes, progressives think they can absorb the "good" by moving people from the "bad" when all that does is convert the good to the bad over time.
If you have two schools in the same area that have similar budgets, but one is a great school and the other sucks, there is only one reason that can be and it's the students in the school.
Moving students from the bad school to the good school isn't going to accomplish anything. It's idiotic, actually.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:35 pm to Man4others
quote:is the real reason for academic success.
too many women as teachers or in positions of leadership within the schools
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If you have two schools in the same area that have similar budgets, but one is a great school and the other sucks, there is only one reason that can be and it's the students in the school. Moving students from the bad school to the good school isn't going to accomplish anything. It's idiotic, actually.
I agree, so what does that say about the actual value of teachers? Seems they don’t matter much. Just a commodity, students will achieve despite them if they are from a good home.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:40 pm to Obtuse1
quote:Same here. I began manipulating numbers in that way pretty early on and, because of that, I had a lot of trouble memorizing formulas and "showing my work" because it seemed pointless to my kid mind because I could figure out the answer without working it out on paper.
When I first started hearing about this I took some time to investigate it and pretty quickly figured out that is how I naturally manipulated large numbers since I was a child. I had tried to explain it to my mother when I was 8 or 9 and was hit with "that is too complicated".
Admittedly I am coming at it as being a very natural way to manipulate numbers since that is how I still do it today 50 years on but I think adults that think it is dumb simply don't get the elegance and have been doing basic math differently their whole lives but I would likely feel the same way if it didn't come naturally to me.
By the time I hit high school I was failing math due to "not showing work", despite usually having the correct answers on tests and assignments (was sometimes accused of cheating), and ended up thinking I sucked at math for years.
It wasn't until diving into common core math to see what all the fuss was that I realized I'm actually pretty good at math as they were now trying to teach everyone how to math the way I'd always done it in my head. Wish we did it that way 30 years ago. I wouldn't have flunked math.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:41 pm to LSURussian
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I'll give my own 3 reasons for public education's decline:
1) Teachers unions.
2) Teachers unions.
3) Teachers unions.
I get what you are going for, and that is a valid reason, and there are a lot of poor effort teachers that are protected ( my middle schooler spent half a class or so one day discussing the teachers new half sleeve tattoo...)
But there are also poor effort parents that are just taxi drivers and chefs ( or mcnugget providers) a lot of my kid's drama comes from classmates that have no limits.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:41 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:There's some truth to this. See Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich.
I agree, so what does that say about the actual value of teachers? Seems they don’t matter much. Just a commodity, students will achieve despite them if they are from a good home.
However, there are those teachers that can bring more out of a student than their parents could according to their field of expertise.
The problem is, schools no longer prefer the teachers to be experts in their fields, but rather "guides on the side".
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:42 pm to Dawgfanman
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I agree, so what does that say about the actual value of teachers? Seems they don’t matter much. Just a commodity, students will achieve despite them if they are from a good home.
I think a great teacher can make average or good students great, if they are well-behaved and want to learn. But no teacher can make an unruly student, or one who just doesn't want to learn, into a good student.
Regarding teachers in general, you could take the entire faculty at Glen Oaks and Catholic High and swap them. Catholic High would still be a great school and Glen Oaks would still be horrible. The teachers would change absolutely nothing. In fact, Glen Oaks might get worse because the Catholic teachers don't know how to teach in a war zone.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:43 pm to jrowla2
quote:I would argue when a society has strong communities, institutions, and intact families this makes a society more stable. Some institutions besides the basic family unit include churches, schools, local organizations, local/state/federal governments, military, etc. When you take a Judeo/Christian society and completely blow up church and family what do you expect to happen, lol? It’s chaos like it is now. Liberals destroy everything they touch.
What does God have to do with education, seriously? There’s a lot of reasons why education system is failing. The only impact God is having is people putting too much focus on religion in public schools and dragging everyone down as a result.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:48 pm to jrowla2
quote:Here's your answer:
What does God have to do with education, seriously?
I had sooner play cards against a man who was skeptical about ethics, but bred to believe that ‘a gentleman does not cheat’, than against an irreproachable moral philosopher who had been brought up among swindlers.
What values are we instilling in our schools? Are we bringing up kids who abide by a certain honor code because we teach that it is right, or have we dismissed the notion of right altogether and leave the void totally open? Life skills? Like truth telling, dignity, respect for others, judging history, assessing the current situation.
This stuff appears in every subject in school as well as how we treat one another while at school.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:51 pm to SwampyWaters
I think lack of parenting and weak admin cowering to crap parents factor in as well. It’s amazing how many parents I’ve seen come cause a scene for a teacher correcting their kid then admin backs them up. It’s a mess.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:51 pm to Sofaking2
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I would argue when a society has strong communities, institutions, and intact families this makes a society more stable. Some institutions besides the basic family unit include churches, schools, local organizations, local/state/federal governments, military, etc. When you take a Judeo/Christian society and completely blow up church and family what do you expect to happen, lol?
I'm so sick of reading all of these responses that assume that societies can function properly in a vacuum. Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:51 pm to northshorebamaman
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Same here. I began manipulating numbers in that way pretty early on and, because of that, I had a lot of trouble memorizing formulas and "showing my work" because it seemed pointless to my kid mind because I could figure out the answer without working it out on paper.
By the time I hit high school I was failing math due to "not showing work", despite usually having the correct answers on tests and assignments (was sometimes accused of cheating), and ended up thinking I sucked at math for years.
It wasn't until diving into common core math to see what all the fuss was that I realized I'm actually pretty good at math as they were now trying to teach everyone how to math the way I'd always done it in my head. Wish we did it that way 30 years ago. I wouldn't have flunked math.
What was so difficult about showing your work? Why continue to not do it when it was clear it was hurting your grade? I break down computations in similar ways, but I genuinely curious the disconnect between what goes on in your head versus being able to put that in writing.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:52 pm to ryanlsu
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In my experience, admittedly limited, it's the exact opposite.
Individual teacher expectations will vary. I’m talking about standards set by the state. The state expects kids to know more complicated concepts earlier in their schooling.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:55 pm to Gabapentin
# 1 is parenting
some have no home life to support them
others have helicopter parents which isn't much better, because they don't allow their kids to learn through failure
the other big issue is technology, the cellphone and social media which distracts them from the time they leave school to the time they return to school and sometimes at school itself
some have no home life to support them
others have helicopter parents which isn't much better, because they don't allow their kids to learn through failure
the other big issue is technology, the cellphone and social media which distracts them from the time they leave school to the time they return to school and sometimes at school itself
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:59 pm to DakIsNoLB
quote:I explained in my post. Because I wasn't using the formulas to solve the problems it was difficult for me to memorize them. You usually memorize through repetition and use. Of course, looking back, I should have spent the time memorizing them just to be able to pretend I was using them, but, as I said, my 'kid brain' didn't see the point and it, and the lack of desire for rote memorization manifested itself as failing grades.
What was so difficult about showing your work? Why continue to not do it when it was clear it was hurting your grade? I break down computations in similar ways, but I genuinely curious the disconnect between what goes on in your head versus being able to put that in writing.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:59 pm to jrowla2
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School is about learning and gaining importance skills for life. God has nothing to do with it.
Science - Origins of the universe
History - Making judgements on those who came before and assessing the present
Music - abides by harmonious order, necessitates a creator
Philosophy - (mostly in college) asking all the questions that science cannot answer.
Math - see music
Literature - Every archetype is found in the Biblical stories. Themes of sacrifice, redemption, etc. religious by nature.
That's just off the top of my head. Thanks. I think I'll think more on this. Should be fun!
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:02 pm to SwampyWaters
It’s the lack of discipline.
The education program I’m involved in is religious and we don’t use any technology and the kids are just fricking bad.
They answer back, never listen the first time they’re told to do something, and there is absolutely no respect.
The education program I’m involved in is religious and we don’t use any technology and the kids are just fricking bad.
They answer back, never listen the first time they’re told to do something, and there is absolutely no respect.
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