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re: I’m about tired of the smoking bans in bars
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:27 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:27 pm to Sentrius
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I'm a conservative, not a LOLbertarian
Anyone Libertarian who wants to actually get elected becomes a conservative.
I think mainly because they don't want to be associated with the hypocrisy that is the Libertarian party.
It seems now is the perfect time for a logical Libertarian candidate with big government Republicans leaving a huge opening.
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:27 pm to Sentrius
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However, it needs to be stated that drinking is much harder to go after given that it does not have the obvious immediate negative effects that smoking does.
wut?
drinking has much more immediate, outward effects
cancer takes decades to develop. being drunk takes 30 minutes
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:27 pm to fightin tigers
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We all are. We drive on roads that gas tax doesn't subsidize. We get reduced healthcare rates at the expense of government overpaying their share.
So I'm hypocritical because the government doesn't use their appropriated funds correctly? We pay gas taxes for roads, but the politicians steal it for other projects. I don't want more of that nonsense involved n my daily life
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Were debating whether or not the reality is right or not. If you want to hide behind your “might is right” mantra because you can’t defend your position that’s your pejorative.
i just don't get how "let the market create non-smoking bars" is somehow not pragmatic
Lake Charles is far from a progressive utopia and we have smoke free bars
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:31 pm to Sentrius
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However, it needs to be stated that drinking is much harder to go after given that it does not have the obvious immediate negative effects that smoking does.
So second hand smoke and smelling bad are far more immediately harmful than a drunk swerving all over the road or some drunk a-hole looking for a fight?
You've got some strange, scrambled logic, cowboy.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:32 pm to fightin tigers
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Because my forefathers paid their taxes and elected officials to buy the land. We own them.
We should have more state sovereignty. The federal government is massively bloated and has grown into this leviathan organization that should be mostly unwound.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wrong. You need a civics class.
Isn't that why income and sales tax is on the horizon for yall? Oil royalties starting to dry up.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i just don't get how "let the market create non-smoking bars" is somehow not pragmatic
"We're going to ban fried seafood restaurants then use the 'free market' rebuttal of 'you don't have to open a restaurant' to mask our authoritarianism."
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:34 pm to fallguy_1978
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We should have more state sovereignty. The federal government is massively bloated and has grown into this leviathan organization that should be mostly unwound.
Fwiw, I am completely on board with this.
I think a single office in the land has amassed way too much power and one of the few good things to come from Obama and Trump will be that we start waking up to this realization.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:35 pm to upgrayedd
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We pay gas taxes for roads, but the politicians steal it for other projects. I don't want more of that nonsense involved n my daily life
No they don't. There isn't near enough gas tax being paid to pay for road infrastructure. They have to steal from elsewhere to pay for roads.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i just don't get how "let the market create non-smoking bars" is somehow not pragmatic
For New Orleans it was somewhat at the request of the owners and workers.
There was a lot of posturing, but no one really fought it.
The owners wanted the ban, the workers wanted the ban, most of the patrons wanted the ban.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cancer takes decades to develop
2nd hand smoke takes even longer, and that's if you're exposed to it constantly, which is virtually impossible unless you live with an indoor smoker.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:38 pm to Sentrius
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I'm a conservative, not a LOLbertarian.
So you agree with a heavy handed state as long as it does what you agree with. The only difference between "conservatives" like you and "liberals" is that at least the liberals want to raise taxes to pay for their big brother bullshite whereas your people just let it go into debt so you can pretend you're principled.
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You're arguing ivory tower philosophy like a real political junkie while I'm just plainly stating reality and what's really pragmatic here.
You're suspending reality and natural progression. 15 years ago, we would've laughed at the notion of presidential candidates saying we need to make sure men have access to abortion like it was an Onion article, yet here we are.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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drinking has much more immediate, outward effects
cancer takes decades to develop. being drunk takes 30 minutes
Does drinking stink?
Does drinking make others around you cough excessively?
Does drinking makes the eye of others around you water too much?
That's what I mean by immediate negative effects, especially towards others.
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being drunk takes 30 minutes
And can have no lasting negative effects towards you if you're not an alcoholic.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:40 pm to fightin tigers
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No they don't. There isn't near enough gas tax being paid to pay for road infrastructure. They have to steal from elsewhere to pay for roads.
And they steal from the gas tax to pay for other stuff, then say we need to raise the gas tax
Sorry, I'll opt out of having that kind of lunacy controlling more aspects of my life 10 out of 10 times.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:40 pm to fightin tigers
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I think a single office in the land has amassed way too much power and one of the few good things to come from Obama and Trump will be that we start waking up to this realization.
Actually I would argue that courts have amassed way too much if not more power than what you think the Presidency has claimed.
The mere notion of a district court that likely doesn't even cover an entire state issuing nation wide injunctions of a law or executive order is a privilege that beings to the Supreme Court, Congress and the President, not an inferior jurisdiction of one federal branch.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:43 pm to Sentrius
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Does drinking stink?
It does if you're sweating
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Does drinking make others around you cough excessively?
I missed the part where you had to walk into smokey bar against your will.
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Does drinking makes the eye of others around you water too much?
Please see above
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That's what I mean by immediate negative effects, especially towards others.
It can't affect anyone who doesn't choose to be affected by it.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:46 pm to upgrayedd
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So you agree with a heavy handed state as long as it does what you agree with.
That's why we have elections to vote for politicians who want to do that the things we want them to do.
And if you're on the losing end of that election, you have to live with the consequences of that result and then you're free to challenge that result in the next election.
That is literally the current reality in America. No amount of arguing on message boards will change that.
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The only difference between "conservatives" like you and "liberals" is that at least the liberals want to raise taxes to pay for their big brother bullshite whereas your people just let it go into debt so you can pretend you're principled.
I'm a guy who thinks the welfare state should be cut as much as we possibly can but not too much as we need to leave some to bribe the poors to pipe down and stay quiet so they don't rise against the middle and upper classes and put a real fascist into office.
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15 years ago, we would've laughed at the notion of presidential candidates saying we need to make sure men have access to abortion like it was an Onion article, yet here we are.
And I'm laughing at them too.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:47 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:Does a bar have people in it? If so, then no, it's not a place people should be able to smoke.
seems like a bar is where one should be able to smoke.
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