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Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:58 pm to fightin tigers
I agree there is a perfect mix. The problem is that no one ever says “Okay that’s enough. We’ve gone far enough.” So trying to be reasonable is useless. The only recourse statists like yourself have left me with is to oppose everything you come up with because you can’t be trusted.
But smoking is gross and trashy anyway. Why do you care!?!!
It’s jyst a couple more bucks a month out of your paycheck every month. Are you really going to miss it?
Do you really NEED a machine gun? I mean what’s the big deal?
We’re just letting women into the military to do administrative jobs. It’s not like they’ll be on the front lines. Calm down!
But smoking is gross and trashy anyway. Why do you care!?!!
It’s jyst a couple more bucks a month out of your paycheck every month. Are you really going to miss it?
Do you really NEED a machine gun? I mean what’s the big deal?
We’re just letting women into the military to do administrative jobs. It’s not like they’ll be on the front lines. Calm down!
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:58 pm to fightin tigers
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You mean the property the government allows you to operate as a bar?
Should the government be able to ban you from smoking in your house?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:59 pm to upgrayedd
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Private property rights are radical libertarian theology?
It's not like they are controlling the rights in your home.
Health codes and building codes are some other examples of radical government overreachm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:59 pm to fightin tigers
quote:How benevolent of them
You mean the property the government allows you to operate as a bar?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:00 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Agreed
Health codes and building codes are some other examples of radical government overreachm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:01 pm to upgrayedd
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Should the government be able to ban you from smoking in your house?
True private property? I don't believe so.
Don't really have a problem with the laws of ticketing parents for smoking in cars with the windows up though (child present). Which is probably more of a personal ideology that doesn't reflect my political leanings.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:02 pm to fightin tigers
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True private property? I don't believe so.
So you can only implement these policies in a place where property taxes exist?
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Don't really have a problem with the laws of ticketing parents for smoking in cars with the windows up though. Which is probably more of a personal ideology that doesn't reflect my political leanings.
Yeah, that'll teach em. Issue a fine that won't be paid.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:03 pm to upgrayedd
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Should we do the same for drinking?
We did something even more radical with drinking, outright banning it in the 20s, it failed spectacularly so we're applying the same lessons for smoking.
And that lesson is keep it legal, appropriately regulated and taxed but make it as hard as possible to continue this self destructive behavior.
And the results speak for themselves after several decades of a public information campaign as smoking is now rightfully seen as trashy, cancerous and ignorant as hell behavior that has no legit purpose whatsoever.
I wish we could take the same approach for the war on drugs as that needs to be treated as a public health issue, not a criminal issue.
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While true, not really relevant.
It's relevant in the sense that as long as government holds monetary power over your land, of course they have some say on the happenings of that land.
I hate property taxes but that's reality.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:04 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
All these non smoking pussies downvoting
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:04 pm to upgrayedd
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So you can only implement these policies in a place where no property taxes exist?
Yes, because that is what I meant.
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Yeah, that'll teach em. Issue a fine that won't be paid.
Removing their kids from them would be better, but I don't want to pay to take care of the little bastards.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:05 pm to Sentrius
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And the results speak for themselves after several decades of a public information campaign as smoking is now rightfully seen as trashy, cancerous and ignorant as hell behavior that has no legit purpose whatsoever.
So the answer is putting out information so people can make their own choice and not at the end of a gun. Thanks for agreeing.
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It's relevant in the sense that as long as government holds monetary power over your land, of course they have some say on the happenings of that land. I hate property taxes but that's reality.
Ok, so we should ban people from smoking at their house, then.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:05 pm to upgrayedd
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What kills more people per year, drunk drivers or second hand smoke?
We already tried banning alcohol and it didn't work (See earlier post) so of course, the was subjected to another public information campaign where we make drinking in public spaces as hard as possible to do and now drunk drivers are almost in the same league as child molesters with the lengthy prison sentences to match.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:07 pm to upgrayedd
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What kills more people per year, drunk drivers or second hand smoke?
Great side point, both should be illegal for killing innocent people who had no decision to be affected by others killing them with their vices.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:07 pm to fightin tigers
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Yes, because that is what I meant.
Ok, so I guess we'll just submit to whatever the government decides to do to us because of property taxes.
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Removing their kids from them would be better, but I don't want to pay to take care of the little bastards.
How compassionate of you
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:09 pm to upgrayedd
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So the answer is putting out information so people can make their own choice and not at the end of a gun.
Now you're just adding things onto my posts that I never said.
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Ok, so we should ban people from smoking at their house, then.
Theoretically they could, but they will never do that as that would amount to a full blown ban on smoking and the government will never do that as they already tried that with alcohol and it was a disaster.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:10 pm to Sentrius
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We already tried banning alcohol and it didn't work (See earlier post) so of course, the was subjected to another public information campaign where we make drinking in public spaces as hard as possible to do and now drunk drivers are almost in the same league as child molesters with the lengthy prison sentences to match.
So, once again, you propose public information campaigns, but really want big brother to tell you what to do by fine or jail.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:10 pm to fightin tigers
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True private property
Dear god
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:11 pm to upgrayedd
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Ok, so I guess we'll just submit to whatever the government decides to do to us because of property taxes
You don't have to open up a bar. You have the right.
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How compassionate of you
I'm a straight a-hole when it comes to government handouts. Even though I realize I benefit greatly from them. It's very hypocritical and I live with that burden.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:11 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Don’t want to be around a smoke filled bar? Then don’t go.
Don't want to go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking inside? Then don't go.
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