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re: I’m about tired of the smoking bans in bars
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:12 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:12 pm to Sentrius
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Now you're just adding things onto my posts that I never said.
So you want to do it by force?
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Theoretically they could, but they will never do that as that would amount to a full blown ban on smoking and the government will never do that as they already tried that with alcohol and it was a disaster.
So, they can do it for your businesses that you don't own, but not for the house that you don't own?
You're all over the board here, dude.
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:13 pm to fightin tigers
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True Libertarian thought process, which you are trying to adhear to, is flawed.
Spoken like a worshiper of the state
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:13 pm to umop_apisdn
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Great side point, both should be illegal for killing innocent people who had no decision to be affected by others killing them with their vices.
TBH, drunk driving should be as punishable as pot possessions seem to be. Aka. Serious jail time. Kinda funny how much more punishment you get for one over the other.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The free market was already taking care of non smokers. There were non smoking bars, restaurants, casinos etc way before it was made illegal.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:13 pm to upgrayedd
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So, once again, you propose public information campaigns, but really want big brother to tell you what to do by fine or jail.
This sounds like a tacit admission that you favor no penalties against drunk driving.
And you rail against big brother?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:14 pm to fightin tigers
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You mean the property the government allows you to operate as a bar?
And there it is
Holy shite...
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:14 pm to fightin tigers
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You don't have to open up a bar. You have the right.
You don't have to purchase property. You have that right.
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I'm a straight a-hole when it comes to government handouts. Even though I realize I benefit greatly from them. It's very hypocritical and I live with that burden.
At least you'll admit it
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:17 pm to Sentrius
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This sounds like a tacit admission that you favor no penalties against drunk driving.
And you rail against big brother?
Not really. I'm against the government banning the sale or public consumption of alcohol despite the fact that it has far more negative effects on the general public's well being than smoking in "public places".
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:17 pm to Sentrius
quote:You shouldn’t be putting peoples words in people’s mouths just minutes after you accused someone of doing it to you b
This sounds like a tacit admission that you favor no penalties against drunk driving.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:18 pm to upgrayedd
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So you want to do it by force?
If there is a valid public interest in doing so yes.
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So, they can do it for your businesses that you don't own, but not for the house that you don't own?
That's right. It's called pragmatism and acknowledgment of reality.
The government can politically get away with banning smoking in public spaces as people don't live there and that's a space where everyone goes.
However, dictating what kind of private behavior goes on in a residential home is a bridge too far and the government will never get away with that, hence why I use the term theoretically, meaning they could do it but they never will .
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:19 pm to upgrayedd
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At least you'll admit it
We all are. We drive on roads that gas tax doesn't subsidize. We get reduced healthcare rates at the expense of government overpaying their share.
Hell, Roger is being high and mighty and he is in a welfare state living off of taxes collected on natural resources owned by the federal government.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:21 pm to fightin tigers
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Hell, Roger is being high and mighty and he is in a welfare state living off of taxes collected on natural resources owned by the federal government
Why should the federal government own them is the appropriate question?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:21 pm to Sentrius
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If there is a valid public interest in doing so yes.
This is the "samll government Republican" faction that loves to lecture everyone on the meaning of liberty
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That's right. It's called pragmatism and acknowledgment of reality.
The government can politically get away with banning smoking in public spaces as people don't live there and that's a space where everyone goes.
However, dictating what kind of private behavior goes on in a residential home is a bridge too far and the government will never get away with that, hence why I use the term theoretically, meaning they could do it but they never will .
You don't look more than 6 inches in front of your face, do you?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:22 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm against the government banning the sale or public consumption of alcohol despite the fact that it has far more negative effects on the general public's well being than smoking in "public places".
We agree then.
However, it needs to be stated that drinking is much harder to go after given that it does not have the obvious immediate negative effects that smoking does. Hence why your equivocations between smoking and alcohol is faulty.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:22 pm to Sentrius
quote:Id be careful about using that word never. Because as you’ve already admitted, they’ve already banned previously perfectly legal products in one’s own home. And don’t give me that bullshite about the government “learned a lesson.” The government isn’t capable of that.
However, dictating what kind of private behavior goes on in a residential home is a bridge too far and the government will never get away with that, hence why I use the term theoretically, meaning they could do it but they never will .
quote:Youre a disgusting collectivist who hates individual freedom.
If there is a valid public interest in doing so yes.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:23 pm to fallguy_1978
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Why should the federal government own them is the appropriate question?
Because my forefathers paid their taxes and elected officials to buy the land. We own them.
It shouldn't be you vs the government. You are the government. People have their thought process backwards on that.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:24 pm to fallguy_1978
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The free market was already taking care of non smokers. There were non smoking bars, restaurants, casinos etc way before it was made illegal.
Correct. This is just more moral majority puritanism.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:25 pm to upgrayedd
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This is the "samll government Republican" faction that loves to lecture everyone on the meaning of liberty
I'm a conservative, not a LOLbertarian.
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You don't look more than 6 inches in front of your face, do you?
You're arguing ivory tower philosophy like a real political junkie while I'm just plainly stating reality and what's really pragmatic here.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:26 pm to fightin tigers
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Hell, Roger is being high and mighty and he is in a welfare state living off of taxes collected on natural resources owned by the federal government.
Wrong. You need a civics class.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:27 pm to Sentrius
quote:Were debating whether or not the reality is right or not. If you want to hide behind your “might is right” mantra because you can’t defend your position that’s your pejorative.
You're arguing ivory tower philosophy like a real political junkie while I'm just plainly stating reality and what's really pragmatic here.
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