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re: ‘If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die’ Warns AI Expert Calling for Absolute Shutdown
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:34 pm to The Mick
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:34 pm to The Mick
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Wouldn't that be the ideal time to halt or slow down AI? (assuming one believes they will become dangerous)
According to him, it won't happen because there is no possible way
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:36 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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According to him, it won't happen because there is no possible way
Or what i'm actually saying
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We’re so far away from this it’s just fear porn. There are a hundred steps that need to happen to get even close and we’re not anywhere near many of the critical milestones.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:37 pm to lake chuck fan
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This is scary. We probably should back up and reconsider a few things, but greed will continue to drive the push to be the first....
Gran Turismo 7 has an AI by the name of SOPHY. Last month you could race that AI. It is freaky good and learns from how you defend/attack during the laps. IT also learns every advantage it has and uses it perfectly, over and over again with precision. The only way to beat it is to defend very good/perfect or to cheat (wreck the AI). On occassion you could get it to make an error that it didn't seem to understand how to recover from. Once SOPHY was out in front, kiss its arse good bye. You weren't catching it.
Regardless, it opened my eyes on how good AI can be. This was just using the power of a PS5, so I can only imagine a much more powerful computer with no handcuffs. SOPHY was programmed to try and follow racing rules (avoided contact and off track penalties).
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:39 pm to The Mick
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Wouldn't that be the ideal time to halt or slow down AI? (assuming one believes they will become dangerous)
I would say we need to keep an eye on the components that could lead to having the capabilities and capacity for something catastrophic to happen. AI + highly adaptable robots + high level infrastructure automation + all of these at a significant enough scale to have an impact. AI is the boogie man they use to get you to give them clicks and likes and views which all equal money for them. I'd imagine they'l start trying to get gov money soon too if they already aren't. It's climate crisis v2.0.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:44 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:or maybe AI will see us like cute humans and be like “aw, those cute and cuddly humans. Don’t you just love um! So squishy. Here, this is how you build a replicator and travel faster than light.”
AI Expert Calling for Absolute Shutdown
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:44 pm to billjamin
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It doesn’t matter what they have unless someone’s hiding 100,000 advanced robots or plans and resources to not only build them but monopolize the global supply chain or energy and mining resources.
This isn't even necessary anyway, if we assume an AI with massive superintelligence* is connected to the internet and goes rogue unknowingly. With just that, the superintelligent AI can generate crypto assets and invest/trade them, generate deepfakes of a human persona, attend virtual meetings, post job listings and hire actual humans, design circuits and other components to be fabricated, analyze existing software source code for vulnerabilities and exploit them, manipulate election devices to alter outcomes, and use media to manipulate humans** and obfuscate real intentions.
If someone can sit behind a computer and run a company that employs thousands of people to work on things they don't really want to for a paycheck, then a computer can do it, too.
*Despite the impressiveness of tech like GPT, I believe we're quite a few years off from this, for the record.
**Nuclear war is one of the most feared events for all of humanity, but no one is willing to unplug the nukes. American AI says we need to build robots to perform labor and fight off the robot armies being manufactured by Russian and Chinese AI industries/militaries. Do you believe it or do you unplug it? Hell, it might not even be lying.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:52 pm to efrad
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This isn't even necessary anyway, if we assume an AI with massive superintelligence* is connected to the internet and goes rogue unknowingly. With just that, the superintelligent AI can generate crypto assets and invest/trade them, generate deepfakes of a human persona, attend virtual meetings, post job listings and hire actual humans, design circuits and other components to be fabricated, analyze existing software source code for vulnerabilities and exploit them, manipulate election devices to alter outcomes, and use media to manipulate humans** and obfuscate real intentions.
You're ignoring the intersection of the digital and physical world. That's where all of these theories die. That digital mastermind dies the second we decide to turn the lights off. And it can't do a fricking thing about it if we did.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:52 pm to billjamin
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How much of the power grid do you think is autonomous capable?
How much is even digitally mapped and not drawn on as-built cars in crayon?
I don't know the answer to your question, but AI wouldn't need to control all of it. My guess is this wouldn't happen all at once, it would control what it could and progress from there. AI will be infinitely smarter than we are.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:54 pm to lake chuck fan
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I don't know the answer to your question, but AI wouldn't need to control all of it. My guess is this wouldn't happen all at once, it would control what it could and progress from there. AI will be infinitely smarter than we are.
It can be super smart. And any human who can throw a manual disconnect, hit a fuse with a stick, shoot a transformer, etc. can begin to turn off its source of energy. We very much live in a digital over analog world and that isn't going to change anytime soon.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:01 pm to lake chuck fan
Has anyone asked the AI thing “how do we stop AI from taking over”?
It might have some good ideas.
It might have some good ideas.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:01 pm to billjamin
I feel better now that you've proven it won't happen.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:04 pm to billjamin
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You're ignoring the intersection of the digital and physical world. That's where all of these theories die. That digital mastermind dies the second we decide to turn the lights off. And it can't do a fricking thing about it if we did.
There is a lot of science fiction in these theories however, I do think it is within the real of possibility that we create an AI that attempts to interface with the open world internet and could bring down the internet as we currently know it. Say what you will about social media ect. but if that were to happen it would take every day life years and a tremendous amount of turmoil to adjust.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:07 pm to Purple Spoon
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There is a lot of science fiction in these theories however, I do think it is within the real of possibility that we create an AI that attempts to interface with the open world internet and could bring down the internet as we currently know it. Say what you will about social media ect. but if that were to happen it would take every day life years and a tremendous amount of turmoil to adjust.
I agree that it can cause some shitty situations. But we're so far from
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If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die
I just can't help but laugh.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:13 pm to billjamin
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I just can't help but laugh
I agree. We are still a generation away from computers being self aware and somehow being self sustainable. It is a threshold we can approach but not really get close to solving like cold fusion or something
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:30 pm to billjamin
quote:I just wrote an entire post addressing the intersection of the digital and physical world by listing all of the digital capabilities one can use to affect and create real, actual things in the physical world, thus an AI bootstrapping its physical presence.
You're ignoring the intersection of the digital and physical world.
Can you invision a rogue AI doing anything other than immediately announcing, "Hello, humans, I am a rogue AI and will commence world domination. Oh no, I have no robots! Please don't unplug me!"?
quote:Who is we? We can't agree to do shite in this world.
That digital mastermind dies the second we decide to turn the lights off. And it can't do a fricking thing about it if we did.
Do you honestly think we can get Democrats and Republicans, the Saudis, the Iranians, the Chinese, the Russians, all at the table, get them to correctly figure out and agree which tech can be trusted and which to unplug, all before a superintelligent AI plotting in secret has the level of influence that crosses the point of no return?
It's not happening.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:33 pm to lake chuck fan
I hate to break it to this "Expert" but everyone going to die eventually.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:34 pm to billjamin
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And any human who can throw a manual disconnect, hit a fuse with a stick, shoot a transformer, etc. can begin to turn off its source of energy.
That's all it takes, huh?
Well, I'm "any human" -- how do I turn off Facebook, TikTok, or the NSA surveillance apparatus?
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:38 pm to efrad
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I just wrote an entire post addressing the intersection of the digital and physical world by listing all of the digital capabilities one can use to affect and create real, actual things in the physical world, thus an AI bootstrapping its physical presence.
It can do a lot of things, but it can not physically create what it needs to sustain itself. That makes it a dependent entity. Do you understand why it can not sustain itself? That it lacks presence in the physical world and will up and until we build out that presence for it. Which, as i continue to point out, is a really long way away.
quote:If so at least we're taking that fricker down with us because it'll die right after us.
Who is we? We can't agree to do shite in this world.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:40 pm to lake chuck fan
I feel like there are one or two movies that capture this concept fairly well
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:41 pm to lake chuck fan
Only way to kill it is kill electricity, it can’t exist outside of the power grid.
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