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Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:43 pm to John88
Mass shootings are worth me being able to shoot aerosol cans in my backyard. So nothing.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:45 pm to John88
The first step would be to do away with politicians' armed body guards, since we will have achieved Utopia.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:46 pm to mattz1122
Your logic is airtight.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:47 pm to GoldenBoy
Airtight?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 7:29 pm to AUCE05
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This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:49 pm to Skillet
quote:We have that already, and it doesn't work. Also the offenders that you are targeting are not the ones walking into schools with intent to kill a bunch of kids.
Tougher gun control laws will make the violent criminals think twice before they obtain another weapon while they're out on probation, IMO.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:51 pm to John88
quote:
What would you change about gun control? Also, if you're fine with the gun control laws right now, let your voice be heard! What's your opinions on this?
Eliminate "gun free" zones for starters.
We live in a free society. The gun is not the problem, never has been. The crazy person could have just as easily drove his car through the campus grounds and mowed people over.
When you look at homicide rates (regardless of the means used) you'll see that the US is quite a ways down on the list. In Africa, the weapon of choice is a machete. That doesn't make their murder rate any lower.
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I find it comical that a man who is surrounded at all times by a platoon of gun toting guards wants to lecture the populous on why they should have their access to guns limited.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 12:23 am to AndyCBR
Enforce law on the books. If you are caught with a fire arm while in the commission of a violent crime no bail until your trial. If convicted you serve the time for the crime and then another 5 years for having the gun.
Turn nonviolent drug convicts free so you have the beds to put violent criminals behind bars.
Turn nonviolent drug convicts free so you have the beds to put violent criminals behind bars.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 3:20 am to John88
I don't believe any laws written today will be as good as the 2nd Amendment
and if someone want's it changed, shoot'em ....
and if someone want's it changed, shoot'em ....
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 7:44 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 4:40 am to Skillet
Massively increase taxes on guns and ammo to the point where they.
Make it a felony offense to have possession of any gun that isn't licensed to you.
Ticket for any gun carried off your property with out license available. Just like drivers license you get it suspended or lose it for good with enough tickets.
If you lose any gun that is licensed to you, lose your license for good.
Felony offense and lose your license if your gun if found in possession of a minor.
If a gun leaves your property it is a felony
License must be renewed every year for a fee.
Registration on each gun as well for a fee.
Mental health check required every year for renewal.
All in all end guns as some sort of hobby.
Make it a felony offense to have possession of any gun that isn't licensed to you.
Ticket for any gun carried off your property with out license available. Just like drivers license you get it suspended or lose it for good with enough tickets.
If you lose any gun that is licensed to you, lose your license for good.
Felony offense and lose your license if your gun if found in possession of a minor.
If a gun leaves your property it is a felony
License must be renewed every year for a fee.
Registration on each gun as well for a fee.
Mental health check required every year for renewal.
All in all end guns as some sort of hobby.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:12 am to Eighteen
quote:
And invest the money saved into mental help and remove the stigma of people needing mental help.
This.
But it will never happen. There is no money in it. And we don't have the stomach for it. Some of these peoples only solution would be to warehouse them. A sanitarium/sanatorium type system. The Sandy Hook shooter and Colorado theater shooter are prime examples. They were/are NEVER going to be right. They will ALWAYS at some point become non compliant with meds. We are warehousing them. But it is in a prison system AFTER a tragedy.
Also, this would meet resistance because this would be a major government program. With both the system of facilities and the monitoring of those released to confirm they stay medicated. Then tracking them down and detaining them when they come off meds. I can the 60 Minutes stories on that already.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:16 am to Mung
Why do we always assume that there are mental health issues associated with these guys or signs they would give off? Is it simply because to do something like this you are assumed to be insane? Maybe.... I think these guys also fit another standard profile. Complete fricking losers who awkwardly do not fit in in any circle and find this to be the only way to get their fame. We all grew up with people that could very easily fit into that mold.
The question is though how do you give no recognition to these pieces of shite? In this day and age that's impossible, we all waited for hours to figure out his name, not because anyone actually cared about him, but so we could find out if he was muslim or a certain race so we could say told you so. So many underlying issues with all of this
The question is though how do you give no recognition to these pieces of shite? In this day and age that's impossible, we all waited for hours to figure out his name, not because anyone actually cared about him, but so we could find out if he was muslim or a certain race so we could say told you so. So many underlying issues with all of this
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:18 am to Pettifogger
I would require all citizens to own a firearm
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:31 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:
The Sandy Hook shooter and Colorado theater shooter are prime examples. They were/are NEVER going to be right. They will ALWAYS at some point become non compliant with meds.
But what if their disorders were identified at a young age and they were treated properly back then and as they grew up? It's very possible that they could've been very productive members of society.
It's the only solution to this when the mentally ill are involved. Sadly, you're right on why the real issue will never be solved.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 7:41 am to John88
[quote]If we change gun control, how do we change it?[/quote
Develop a viable mental health system.
End gun free zones. Add more security to schools.
Mass murders are not in the least bit worried about breaking gun free zone laws. Gun free zones just offer a soft target.
Mass murders are already breaking at least a dozen laws. That is why gun control laws are not the absolute answer.
Develop a viable mental health system.
End gun free zones. Add more security to schools.
Mass murders are not in the least bit worried about breaking gun free zone laws. Gun free zones just offer a soft target.
Mass murders are already breaking at least a dozen laws. That is why gun control laws are not the absolute answer.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 7:46 am to John88
Apple is working on an app that turns off your gun if you become mentally unstable.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 7:54 am to derp
quote:
I would require all citizens to own a firearm
Ever been to walmart? The problem with this topic is that everyone on this board is usually on one side of the crazy spectrum. Either everyone should own a gun (possibly the dumbest idea ever) or we need to create insane gun laws that are likely to be inefficient and ineffective. The right course probably has to do with tougher background checks, more money invested in mental health, and overall education
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:22 am to TheOcean
"Common sense" gun regulation simply doesn't accomplish what it sets out to accomplish. We can look at violent crime rates in countries that have set in place these types of regulations and what we see is no significant difference in violent crime rates compared to the rest of the Western World.
These type of regulations aren't necessarily problematic; they are just ineffective. So what happens after? We put these regulations in place and in 20 years there is no difference. What will be called for next? More extreme regulations, and that's where we start getting into real problems with government overreach.
The per capita rate of guns to people in the US has fallen in the last 30 years. The presence of guns in society has been a constant which means it's some other variable responsible for the increase in the mass killings. I would rather see our efforts and resources placed into figuring out the actual problem instead of blaming an inanimate object that has been around and available since before any of the current policy makers were born.
These type of regulations aren't necessarily problematic; they are just ineffective. So what happens after? We put these regulations in place and in 20 years there is no difference. What will be called for next? More extreme regulations, and that's where we start getting into real problems with government overreach.
The per capita rate of guns to people in the US has fallen in the last 30 years. The presence of guns in society has been a constant which means it's some other variable responsible for the increase in the mass killings. I would rather see our efforts and resources placed into figuring out the actual problem instead of blaming an inanimate object that has been around and available since before any of the current policy makers were born.
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 12:12 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:And put many people out of business and work
Massively increase taxes on guns and ammo to the point where they
quote:So I get a felony if I borrow someone's gun to go hunting?
Make it a felony offense to have possession of any gun that isn't licensed to you
quote:And what happens when someone steals it from you?
If you lose any gun that is licensed to you, lose your license for good
quote:See above two answers
Felony offense and lose your license if your gun if found in possession of a minor
quote:This is just comical. How does it come anywhere close to stopping crime?
If a gun leaves your property it is a felon
quote:You know who likes fees? The government. Besides, I don't have any guns, so I wouldn't need to register them
License must be renewed every year for a fee.
Registration on each gun as well for a fee
quote:You are insane
Mental health check required every year for renewal
quote:Because it's the truth
Why do we always assume that there are mental health issues associated with these guys or signs they would give off?
quote:People are still gonna do it. You think everyone does it for the fame?
The question is though how do you give no recognition to these pieces of shite?
quote:I own plenty, CC a lot of the time, have done a bunch of training, and know about 10 instructors. Not a single one of us agrees with this statement
I would require all citizens to own a firearm
quote:This is mostly correct, but I'd add most of those people have the inability to think past the first level of their "solutions" (utter stupidity)
The problem with this topic is that everyone on this board is usually on one side of the crazy spectrum
Working on the mental health problem helps everyone's quality of life, from the sad, young girl being picked on in high school to possibly the person who will go on a killing spree that very day. The problem is that the government would be running it, and there is no way to quantify the help given
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