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re: If so inclined, pls send up a prayer for Camp Mystic / TX Hill Country flood victims
Posted on 7/2/26 at 4:50 pm to billjamin
Posted on 7/2/26 at 4:50 pm to billjamin
I get that to a certain extent…but I said I had to research what actually happened. I do not doubt their grief…but I do not favor lashing out, suing, and placing additional grief on the nearest human money source over an act of god because their grief says someone has to be responsible.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 4:53 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
In other words, you are making an assumption based on your irrelevant past experience which may or may not be reality.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 5:02 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
Last week, literally less than 20 miles from my home, 4 people died in Richmond Kentucky due to extremely rare flooding from heavy rain. The whole state had advanced warning of the rain and flooding potential. Who is negligent in their death? Or does that truly count as an act of god?
Posted on 7/2/26 at 5:37 pm to financetiger
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You aren’t any better. Why tell someone to go kill themselves? Can’t you think of anything else to say that doesn’t make YOU look like a subhuman piece of shite?
If your response to 30+ little girls getting washed away due to negligence is to worry about camps bankruptcy, then yes, I would prefer you remove yourself from the gene pool.
Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:31 pm to REG861
They basically left the younger kids to fend for themselves
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:11 am to ummagumma
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I get that to a certain extent…but I said I had to research what actually happened.
Cool. So hold off on saying shite like
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Ruining other people’s lives to place human blame on an act of god is not automatically prayer worthy.
Until you have a fricking clue what you’re talking about.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:36 am to nicholastiger
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They basically left the younger kids to fend for themselves
In fairness That’s not entirely true, as camp representatives (maybe one of the owners even) and counselors themselves drowned. But the fact is they were entrusted with hundreds of precious lives and didn’t have any sort of preparations or plans for a weather event that was not unforseeable given the location and history. We aren’t talking about a meteor strike. They were completely negligent and the fact that they tried to reopen for this summer is repulsive.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:40 am to LSUGreg
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went down towards the river and could not believe how high it was and how fast the water was moving
Central Texas is the most dangerous area in the entire country for flash floods. The terrain and soil along with the way systems stall out and sit there pouring rain is a bad recipe.
Might actually be one of the worst in the whole world too.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:41 am to REG861
It sucks but yeah this had happened before and it’s hard to believe they had zero plan if it happened again
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:15 am to billjamin
I’m adult enough to admit, in hindsight, I came in aggressively hot. What happened was tragic. I don’t wish that on any parent.
But I also have extreme aversion to placing blame and negligence claims with these kinds of events. We're not talking about being trapped in a burning building because of blocked fire exits. This was not the NYC Shirtwaist Fire event.
It was an act of nature, in nature. A once in a generation weather event and the result was tragic. It does appear the camp was not prepared for such an event and some decisions in the moment by the camp were not the best. However, that really doesn’t change my view all that much. The parents are lashing out, the politicians are placating because they have to, and what was once a generational joy for kids and parents alike, is no more.
But I also have extreme aversion to placing blame and negligence claims with these kinds of events. We're not talking about being trapped in a burning building because of blocked fire exits. This was not the NYC Shirtwaist Fire event.
It was an act of nature, in nature. A once in a generation weather event and the result was tragic. It does appear the camp was not prepared for such an event and some decisions in the moment by the camp were not the best. However, that really doesn’t change my view all that much. The parents are lashing out, the politicians are placating because they have to, and what was once a generational joy for kids and parents alike, is no more.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 5:41 pm to hillcountrytigah
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theres still two bodies missing
We never found my friend Mike, the Marble Falls Fire Chief. We were out there for weeks. There was even another large scale effort to locate and recover remains in Jan/Feb, with multiple state and local agencies.
I'm not sure I could accurately estimate how many miles I hiked in the areas west of the bridge washed out on 1431, even with blackhawk insertions and returns.
Mike would say if there was anybody that wasn't rescued, let it be him. He'd also say if there was anyone not recovered, let it be him. Even as a Chief, he would bring cold water to guys coming out of a structure fire, help us out of gear, and even change bottles on our packs before we went back in. Regardless of rank, station, or seniority, he was a humble man with a servant's heart. He's missed dearly.
Posted on 7/4/26 at 6:48 pm to REG861
quote:quote:In fairness That’s not entirely true, as camp representatives (maybe one of the owners even) and counselors themselves drowned. But the fact is they were entrusted with hundreds of precious lives and didn’t have any sort of preparations or plans for a weather event that was not unforseeable given the location and history. We aren’t talking about a meteor strike. They were completely negligent and the fact that they tried to reopen for this summer is repulsive.
They basically left the younger kids to fend for themselves
The main owner or face of the camp did die trying to remove the girls from one cabin. His son got swept away in another cabin but caught himself on the same tree to hang on that some of the girls from same cabin did, and he helped them hold on. His son also heard the dad’s call over the radio for help but had to tell him he couldn’t leave the cabin he was with.
A security guard (I think a retired cop) got one cabin out and told counselors where to take the kids, helped another leaving on their own with where to take the kids, and then road it out in another cabin with higher ceilings while helping the kids there not get swept out and stay relatively calm.
The water had never gotten anywhere close to the levels that day, but they didn’t adjust their expectations of how high the water could still get or how fast get even as they kept noticing it was kept getting higher than they had ever seen with the huge storm still sitting on top of them and sitting on top of where the water was coming from upriver and where it needed to go.
They also did not have an evacuation plan for that level of flooding that was practiced with counselors and posted throughout the camp. They had a plan for fire evacuation and for other selective evacuations and for other emergencies, but not something for that situation that the counselors could evaluate and make on their own or follow on their own when told to do so (including getting kids ready beforehand). The camp ground there got cut off from other buildings from a dry creek or rain drainage only creek flooding and cutting off anyone walking across which would have limited the counselors using the fire evacuation plan.
The owner did make the call to evacuate the cabins closer to the rivers in time, but he waited to long to decide that the cabins higher up and further back from the river were also going to need to be evacuated. That’s where all the kids except for one died along with counselors and the owner himself. The one from elsewhere likely went back to cabin to get something which can also be contributed to not having an evacuation plan posted or trained on with the counselors.
It was and still is very sad. I have been thinking about those kids the past couple of days and today a lot.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/camp-mystic-report-june-18-2026
Posted on 7/4/26 at 8:36 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
There are very few news stories that I have had to turn off. That was one. Could not see the pictures of those little girls without feeling like I was going to cry.
Posted on 7/4/26 at 9:19 pm to jnethe1
Hopefully that subhuman is homeless and on the street digging through trash by now.
Posted on 7/4/26 at 9:57 pm to ummagumma
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It was an act of nature, in nature. A once in a generation weather event and the result was tragic.
Adult, kids died. Little kids. Young girls. 7 year old girls.
Was there a real safety plan for them? Real risk assessed and mitigation plan…for them?
They died. Drowned. Oxygen deprived. Choked life from them.
Why?
Who was responsible for their oxygen and life in the care of the camp?
The camp.
May the little kids RIP!
May the camp RIP! And may those who neglected the little kids reach their reckoning with humility and whatever word is used for this horrific and unfathomable outcome for all.
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/4/26 at 9:58 pm to ummagumma
Age of the victims?
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Last week, literally less than 20 miles from my home, 4 people died in Richmond Kentucky due to extremely rare flooding from heavy rain. The whole state had advanced warning of the rain and flooding potential
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 10:00 pm
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