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re: if Kurt Cobain wouldn't have suicided?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:28 am to BabyTac
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:28 am to BabyTac
When Nirvana came out with Nevermind, a bunch of others all hit (at the same time) on their first major label as well: Soundgarden, AIC, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, etc. But those acts had been touring for a while already, as opening acts and established independent label groups. Something that I hear all the time is Nirvana pathed the way. That's not how I remember it.
It was more that independent rock was picking up steam and getting some recognition. The music audience was tired of ballad rock and hair metal. Grunge was something that was marketed by MTV to label this music, but I would rather have referred to it as rock.
It wasn't so much Nirvana as much as it was they were one of the many "rock renaissance" bands that first came out. Gen Xers hold all of those bands in sentimental value because it was an exciting time in music. Every week a new band would come out that was great.
It was more that independent rock was picking up steam and getting some recognition. The music audience was tired of ballad rock and hair metal. Grunge was something that was marketed by MTV to label this music, but I would rather have referred to it as rock.
It wasn't so much Nirvana as much as it was they were one of the many "rock renaissance" bands that first came out. Gen Xers hold all of those bands in sentimental value because it was an exciting time in music. Every week a new band would come out that was great.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:39 am to RealityTiger
Cousin's suicide and Nirvana breaking up was the best thing to ever happen to music. The whole grunge, angry, emo, brand of music was THE WORST music in history. Glad its gone and if I could go back and prevent it from ever happening, I would. Shittiest music ever, and gave rise to some of the most self centered, and entitled people ever. Terrible music fed into why has become a terrible generation overall. So yeah, extremely, wonderfully overjoyed that he pulled the trigger. Piece of shite singer, human, and father.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:45 am to Firewind
quote:brittney, 98 degrees, Christina Aguilera, backstreet boys.....they all say hello
The whole grunge, angry, emo, brand of music was THE WORST music in history
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 9:46 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:27 am to BabyTac
quote:Too extreme.
Would Nirvana have basically been remembered much like Puddle of Mud has?
But AIC, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and most certainly STP were all decidedly better bands IMO. And I do think Cobain's death is what catapulted Nirvana to seemingly have the title as the best band of the 90s over the other guys.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:48 am to Firewind
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Glad its gone and if I could go back and prevent it from ever happening, I would. Shittiest music ever, and gave rise to some of the most self centered, and entitled people ever.
PJ's Ten is one of the greatest albums of all time and PJ is one of the greatest bands of all time.
Prior to grunge, you had shitty pop and hair metal dominating the scene. Don't get wrong I love me some hair metal but, outside of G&R and Metallica, none of the 80's rock bands had staying power. Grunge at least brought some punk and rock back to the radio over shite like George Michael, Boy George, etc.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:54 am to kingbob
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kingbob
You are so far off the mark.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:05 am to alajones
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More like Pearl Jam.
Their style was nothing like Pearl Jam. Kurt did everything possible to deviate from the commercial success and polished sound of Nevermind. In Utero is so deeply rooted in punk and indie, it gives me the impression that the band would have continued to trend towards a less radio-friendly sound.
Cobain's legacy, like with all musical "martyrs", is aided by his early death. However, it's hard for me to imagine Nirvana just fading into obscurity like some of their contemporaries.
Soundgarden is the perfect example of a band that attempted to appease record executives rather than continue on with a sound which garnered such widespread acclaim. I would imagine that Nirvana's later releases would be more akin to Alice in Chains: experimental and variegated in sound and style.
It would have been difficult for Kurt to continue to channel such anger and despair in his writing. Eventually, you stop being a pissed-off teenager or young adult and move on with your life. Had he maintained his addiction, then perhaps he would have continued on in a similar path. However, artists of his ilk typically lose some "juice" in their music and lyrics once they become sober.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:17 am to Fleur De Lethal
I could very well be wrong, but I thought that Pearl Jam was formed after Temple of the Dog because basically, Temple of the Dog is Pearl Jam plus Cornell. Those guys were all Cornell's friends at the time, not Vetter's. Vetter was an outsider brought in. After Temple of the Dog did their album, Cornell went back to Soundgarden (which existed but wasn't widely known outside of Seattle) and Vetter took the rest of the band to make Pearl Jam. I could be wrong about it, but that was my understanding, that the other members of Pearl Jam had previously been in Mother Love Bone and Malfunktion with Wood, but once again, I wasn't alive back then, so what do I know.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:23 am to Cdawg
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You are so far off the mark.
I like this part
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Vetter and Cornell were around but virtually unknown outside of Seattle
Who the frick is Vetter? And also Eddie Vedder was not even known in Seattle until he hooked up with Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament. Eddie is from a Chicago suburb and was living in Cali at the time. He joined the Seattle scene as it was already in swing after writing lyrics to 3 demos he was given. PJ rose pretty fast and were signed months after formation so it's not like Eddie was around Seattle for a long time and the Temple of the Dog album was his big break.
And also to his other points. The Temple of the Dog album had been released months before Ten and Badmotorfinger but sold poorly. It was after PJ and Soundgarden took off that it was rereleased and marketed. It didn't pick up steam until 1992. A full year after it's release and a year after Ten and Badmotorfinger. It was their popularity that drove the album. Not the other way around as Kingbob incorrectly states.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:23 am to Gr8t8s
quote:Yep. That's why David Geffen did it.
As far as LEGACY goes, being killed/suicide helped tremendously.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:29 am to kingbob
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but I thought that Pearl Jam was formed after Temple of the Dog because basically, Temple of the Dog is Pearl Jam plus Cornell.
No. Soundgarden was already a band before Temple of the Dog and was merely a one-time tribute to Andrew. Eddie had already joined Stone and Jeff months before and they were already Pearl Jam. They were already signed and working on Ten when the TotD album dropped.
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After Temple of the Dog did their album, Cornell went back to Soundgarden (which existed but wasn't widely known outside of Seattle)
The Ultramega OK album they released in 1988 was nominated for a Grammy. They were known outside of Seattle.
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and Vetter took the rest of the band to make Pearl Jam.
IT'S VEDDER and PJ already existed before TotD. Also, Eddie didn't start it. Jeff and Stone, who were left over from MLB, did. They recruited Eddie after he wrote lyrics and recorded them to 3 songs he was sent.
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but once again, I wasn't alive back then, so what do I know.
You don't know anything and are spouting nonsense.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:38 am to stout
Thank you for the correction. It's a fascinating time in music history, akin to the late 60's, when so many changes happened in such a short period of time. By the time I was listening to music, a new order had been established and all of that chaos had run its course.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:48 am to Firewind
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Cousin's suicide and Nirvana breaking up was the best thing to ever happen to music. The whole grunge, angry, emo, brand of music was THE WORST music in history. Glad its gone and if I could go back and prevent it from ever happening, I would. Shittiest music ever, and
gave rise to some of the most self centered, and entitled people ever. Terrible music fed into why has become a terrible generation overall. So yeah, extremely, wonderfully overjoyed that he pulled the trigger. Piece of shite
Sometimes I think this website is the nadir of western civilization.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:52 am to kingbob
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It's a fascinating time in music history
It is and with the modern digital media, Youtube mostly, we will never see a scene like that or the Sunset Strip rock scene of the 80's again.
1991 is the greatest year of music in modern history I think. You had Nevermind, Ten, The Black Album, The Illusion albums, Achtung Baby, Lenny Kravitz Mama Said, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Out of Time, Badmotorfinger, Temple of the Dog, No More Tears all release.
You also had Gangsta Rap picking up more steam after Cube left NWA and Tupac releasing 2pacalypse Now. Geto Boys released We Can't Be Stopped and Public Enemy released Apocalypse 91.
I have long said it was the greatest year for music and it's hard to argue against.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:55 am to kingbob
Check out PJ20 documentary if you want to get a clear perspective on this. Very interesting time in music. A ton of talent in one area. Alice In Chains is the best of that era by a very wide margin to me.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:58 am to dnm3305
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Alice In Chains is the best of that era by a very wide margin to me.
Jerry Cantrell is a talented dude. Their unplugged album was the best one to come out of the Unplugged series even though the one for Nirvana is better known.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:10 pm to kingbob
Nothing. You know nothing
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:14 pm to Brosef Stalin
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This timeline is all wrong. Soundgarden started in the mid 80s. Nirvana came before Pearl Jam too. Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell were both well established stars by the time the Temple of the Dog album came out.
This
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:24 pm to stout
quote:80's music had gotten so stale that in the late 80's, classic rock from the 60's and 70's was more popular than the majority of contemporary music. Don't get me wrong. I liked a lot of 80's music, but the formulas got out of hand and it was one makeup-plastered hair band after another.
Grunge at least brought some punk and rock back to the radio over shite like George Michael, Boy George, etc.
GNR would have been better with a different singer. Rose proved that just because you can hit all of the notes, you're still not a pleasing singer if your voice is GRATING AS shite.
I'm sure, in retrospect, the rest of the band would agree, mostly since they'd have been able to avoid Rose's ridiculous offstage bullshite.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:51 pm to kingbob
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I think a better question is what if Andrew Wood of Mafunktion and Mother Love Bone hadn't OD'd? His death is what caused Temple of the Dog to form, which launched Eddie Vetter and Chris Cornell to prominance and spawned Pearl Jam and later Soundgarden. Without
Jeebus guy. Step away from the bong
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