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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:29 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Does this phrase really mean anything, or is it just code for the same cold reading, parlor tricks that “criminal profilers” do?
Just speculation I assume... unless they have some evidence linking to someone they aren't sharing yet.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:33 am to NATidefan
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Just speculation I assume... unless they have some evidence linking to someone they aren't sharing yet.
Maybe that’s the case. But there’s a lot of pseudo-science in “profiling” that can lead detectives astray like psychics can.
“Oh, the killer stabbed him in the neck and her breasts; it must mean it was sexually motivated.”
Or perhaps he was just aiming for the heart in the dark and missed the center of her chest on a few stabs?
Edit: A lot of the “science” of criminal profiling was done by interviewing serial killers, who above all else were just narcissistic, and who fed into their public image for their own self-aggrandizement.
They fed the FBI behavioral people a lot of garbage data and the FBI people are it up.
So now, what are just random actions by a killer are given deeper meaning.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:42 am to UndercoverBryologist
So the 2 roommates likely survived due to having locked their bedroom doors.
Wasn't there just an OT thread in the past month or 2 calling people who lock their bedroom doors at night pussies lol?
Wasn't there just an OT thread in the past month or 2 calling people who lock their bedroom doors at night pussies lol?
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:43 am to real turf fan
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So many folks have done DNA on their blood, and partial matches with their blood may point arrows at a second cousin or a great uncle. Or a niece or nephew of an estranged sibling.
That's how they caught the serial killer in Cali. They backtraced the sample to his siblings and narrowed it down from there. Was pretty solid police work on that case.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:44 am to SM1010
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So the 2 roommates likely survived due to having locked their bedroom doors.
I think the killer just never went downstairs... but maybe he did and the door was locked and he thought he would wake them and get caught.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:45 am to SM1010
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So the 2 roommates likely survived due to having locked their bedroom doors.
Wasn't there just an OT thread in the past month or 2 calling people who lock their bedroom doors at night pussies lol?
I always lock the bedroom door where my wife and I sleep. Just seems smart. It will give you more time in a home invasion or keep them out completely. As confirmed by this.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:48 am to The Boat
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I always lock the bedroom door where my wife and I sleep. Just seems smart. It will give you more time in a home invasion or keep them out completely. As confirmed by this.
Seems pretty logical to me too. Much of the OT are far too manly for that pussy shite though.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:52 am to SM1010
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Seems pretty logical to me too. Much of the OT are far too manly for that pussy shite though.
Or have small kids Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:17 am to jchamil
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Or have small kids
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:18 am to real turf fan
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If they have DNA from blood where it shouldn't be, it's not a dead end.
So many folks have done DNA on their blood, and partial matches with their blood may point arrows at a second cousin or a great uncle. Or a niece or nephew of an estranged sibling.
I know it has happened in several cases, but this also happened in another small college murder that cops were bugging at first - Faith Hedgepeth at UNC in 2012.
They later got his actual DNA from something related to a DUI and not showing up for something, but it started using an ancestry site. A big key point was that the DNA was clearly from murderer - rape kit, wine bottle/murder weapon, and the food take out bag.
It did take around 9 years to get an arrest.
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Through court documents, ABC11 has learned why Miguel Enrique Salguero-Olivares was on investigators' radar for the murder of Faith Hedgepeth, the UNC student found beaten to death on Sept. 7, 2012, in her off-campus apartment.
Authorities used DNA ancestry technology to find Hedgepeth's killer using DNA found in her rape kit, a wine bottle and a white take-out bag, with a vulgar message written by the killer.
The technique identified the suspect's distant family members, who share his genetic information, according to the report.
Those relatives gave interviews and their DNA, which investigators say helped identify Salguero-Olivares.
https://abc11.com/faith-hedgepeth-unc-student-murder-miguel-enrique-salguero-olivares-arrest/11505546/
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:23 am to real turf fan
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If they have DNA from blood where it shouldn't be, it's not a dead end. So many folks have done DNA on their blood, and partial matches with their blood may point arrows at a second cousin or a great uncle. Or a niece or nephew of an estranged sibling.
Or if they have DNA from the person they believe to be the killer they can ask or require suspects to give a sample to see if it matches.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:38 am to The Boat
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I always lock the bedroom door where my wife and I sleep. Just seems smart. It will give you more time in a home invasion or keep them out completely. As confirmed by this
I lock my bedroom door because I've had a 5 year old walk in on me and the wife (ex-wife) going to pound town.
Pretty hard to explain why I was butt nekkid with a cowboy hat, pulling mommy's hair, and blasting Du Hast by Rammstein.
Not to mention the the person chained to the wall in the gimp suit.
All I'm saying is lock your door, for the kids.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:41 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Or if they have DNA from the person they believe to be the killer they can ask or require suspects to give a sample to see if it matches.
It will also depend on the context of the DNA. Skin cells under the fingernails may be from defense scratches, or they may be just incidental residue from casual contact with anyone of potentially 100s of people they interacted with the previous 12 hours.
Or, it could come from a recent blood stain on the carpet in the house, which would be more incriminating and harder to explain.
But that raises the question as to why nobody with any conspicuous wounds from that weekend would not already be on the police’s radar. (Assuming we would have heard about this suspect by now, which we might not.)
Anything out there with any sort of certainty that the victims were able to draw blood from the killer? I know they said that one victim had defensive wounds.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:58 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Anything out there with any sort of certainty that the victims were able to draw blood from the killer? I know they said that one victim had defensive wounds.
Not that Ive read. And I assume defensive wounds in this case means stabs/cuts to the hands.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:58 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Not to mention the the person chained to the wall in the gimp suit.
“Mommies and daddies sometimes like to show each other how much they love one another. And sometimes that involves both mommy and daddy paddling the bare bottom of a man in a gimp suit that mommy and daddy keep chained up in a trunk we keep in the basement.”
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:04 pm to idlewatcher
As a casual follower of cases like this, it seems to me very few are solved by “police work”. Either the perp is caught in the act, the crime is witnessed or someone rats him out later. If it’s not one of those three, the cops are lost.
Since he wasn’t caught in the act, the LEO are praying for a witness to come forward or a friend/accomplice to finger the guy. Absent that? Can you say Jon Benet Ramsey?
Since he wasn’t caught in the act, the LEO are praying for a witness to come forward or a friend/accomplice to finger the guy. Absent that? Can you say Jon Benet Ramsey?
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:43 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Or if they have DNA from the person they believe to be the killer they can ask or require suspects to give a sample to see if it matches.
They can ask for a suspect to give a DNA sample, but they cannot compel them to give a DNA sample unless
A) they have arrested the suspect for that crime or have arrested them for an unrelated crime which could carry a penalty of imprisonment.
B) The obtain a "compulsion order" from a judge with sufficient probable cause. (This is pretty easy to get in a murder case).
There are cases that have been solved by cops simply tricking the suspect into giving a DNA sample by giving them a soda and getting the DNA off the can. (Not a lawyer, but I would think DNA evidence obtained in this manner would not be admitted at trial).
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:09 pm to tilthatday
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As a casual follower of cases like this, it seems to me very few are solved by “police work”. Either the perp is caught in the act, the crime is witnessed or someone rats him out later. If it’s not one of those three, the cops are lost. Since he wasn’t caught in the act, the LEO are praying for a witness to come forward or a friend/accomplice to finger the guy. Absent that? Can you say Jon Benet Ramsey?
Forensic evidence convicts most criminals, especially in crimes like this. It’s one of the reasons serial killers are not as prolific as they once were. They get caught earlier in their “careers” than before.
The Jon Benet Ramsey case is an outlier regarding forensics. The planning or sheer luck of the killer prevented telling evidence from being left behind. May have been shoddy police work, too.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:48 pm to idlewatcher
Police news Conference incoming . . . LINK
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