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Posted on 11/20/22 at 10:49 am to
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 10:49 am to
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I might insist they have more than a 1:5 boy-to-girl ratio most nights…that’s right, I’m insisting they have MORE boys stay over.


That’s like telling your kids to stop wearing seatbelts because someone died from getting their seatbelt stuck.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 5:22 pm to
Found this on internet. Floor plan for most part actually seems to match pics from zillow and those released in news including having 2 separate staircases (outside of not showing utility room/area & that the location of 2A bedroom door and bottom of rear stairs on 2nd level were not shown on zillow), but I don’t know about being accurate on where victims found and where girls who stayed safe lived which is where theories start to get added.

If it’s still accurate the guy was found on 2nd level with his girlfriend in her room it makes some sense that with 5 roommates the 1 BR on 2nd level farthest from bathroom might have been used for something else leaving 2 victims and 2 safe roommates on other 2 floors. I have at least read reports about the guy being found on 2nd floor, but I haven’t read anything else on where others found besides being attacked in their beds.

The arrow in second pic is pointing to where blood was seen flowing out from floor of house (from bedroom labeled 2B) which matches pictures already released.



This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 7:17 pm
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 5:43 pm to
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Similarities in Unsolved Stabbings: 2021 Oregon Fatal Stabbing of Sleeping Couple & Moscow Idaho Quadruple Murder — Both Incidents Involved an Unknown Man With Large Knife in Early Morning Hours


It’s certainly not impossible, but those places are over 400 miles apart, so I’d say the likelihood is low.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 5:55 pm to
Damn that’s a good schematic
Posted by VolunGator
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 6:05 pm to
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It’s certainly not impossible, but those places are over 400 miles apart, so I’d say the likelihood is low.


The locations (Shreveport and Gainesville) of Danny Rollins two killing sprees we're 700 plus miles a part.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 6:20 pm to
That lines up with what I read today... thst the victims were on the 2nd and 3rd floors.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 6:25 pm to
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Danny Rollins


Exactly who I thought of when some of the details were made public.

And no doubt it can happen. Hell, Israel Keyes was living in Alaska and killing people on the East coast; I’m simply saying it’s unlikely. But, then, I guess being the victim of a crime like this is pretty damn unlikely.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 6:55 pm to
That funky split-level design of the house and the two survivors having their rooms on that lower most level probably explains why the killers didn’t think to check that level.

When I put myself into the mind of an intruder, I would think that level would be less likely to be bedroom space. (I’m thinking to myself “Oh, that’s the foyer, living room, or perhaps basement space of the house.”)

But that also would mean the killer(s) were not fully aware of all of the occupants of the house, which probably means no one was specifically targeted. Just a crime of opportunity.

Edit: There is also a road that runs behind the house, behind the hill, on the side with the patio door. If it was completely random, with no prior casing of the house, the killer(s) might not have fully understood the layout of the house. Might have been in and out of through the patio door without realizing they had missed a level below their feet.

All that to say, it is perhaps creepier to think the animal was completely random in his selection of targets.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 7:05 pm
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 7:21 pm to
Yeah. That design is usually duplex in function. The first floor is usually called the basement floor and separate from the other 2 floors.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:13 pm to
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Yeah. That design is usually duplex in function. The first floor is usually called the basement floor and separate from the other 2 floors.


You can definitely see the duplex function on neighboring houses, but I’m pretty sure the street view of this one on Google Earth only shows the one door coming off the parking area. If it a a duplex, the upper house’s door was that sliding door.
Posted by s0tiger
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 8:46 pm to
I know this street, grew up 1/2 mile from it and was in what i think is this house occasionally in the 80s based on the address i have seen online (1127 King Rd).

It has obviously been transformed into an apartment set up, but if my memory serves the survivors were in a full basement. You would walk into the front door and the normal two story house setup with living areas, kitchen and a bedroom/ study. Bedrooms upstairs and at the time a partially finished basement.

The photograph of the side a few posts up looks like the next house down the road to me, but the patio also doesn't match my memory- remember it being directly behind the house, not at a 45 degree angle.

The road behind the house is fairly steep and the whole backyard is basically private due to the grade. Would be little to no traffic on that road late at night.

Really crazy to me looking at how those houses have been remade from single family homes to student living.
Posted by WinnaSez
Jackson, MS
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:20 pm to
I agree, my guess is the killer came in through the second floor slider which looks like the main floor and didn’t expect people to be sleeping in the “basement”.

This case is very bizarre. Maybe I’ve watched too many episodes of Criminal Minds, but to me this seems like a random psycho. Yes, a knife attack is usually personal, but it’s hard to fathom one person having a vendetta that warrants a knife slaughter against four people that happen to live in one house.

Edit: or maybe it wasn’t the people in the house, but the location of the house similar to Manson. The Tate murders occurred because a record producer who shunned Manson lived at the house on Cielo Dr.
I dunno.

But my heart breaks for these families, not only have they lost children, but their deaths will be revisited, hopefully in trials, but also 20/20 episodes, Netflix documentaries, etc.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 9:25 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:37 pm to
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Exactly who I thought of when some of the details were made public.

And no doubt it can happen. Hell, Israel Keyes was living in Alaska and killing people on the East coast; I’m simply saying it’s unlikely. But, then, I guess being the victim of a crime like this is pretty damn unlikely.
Keyes was exactly who I was thinking of. Low security systems someone from outside the area not exactly random but selected. no dogs, no alarm.

He would pre-position kill kits and then return later once he identified a target in that area
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:50 pm to
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Edit: or maybe it wasn’t the people in the house, but the location of the house similar to Manson. The Tate murders occurred because a record producer who shunned Manson lived at the house on Cielo Dr. I dunno.


There’s something non-random about the house. Barring some major damage to the cerebral cortex and the brain acting on purely stochastic impulses*, humans can only be quasi-random, never completely random.

The killer was in that area for a reason. But it may be impossible to determine.

Edit: *Even then, there are still limitations on how random a person can be. For example, people can ever be in certain locations that they have the means to be. Obviously, this would seem to indicate a local, but that is just playing the odds.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 9:54 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 9:57 pm to
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I know this street, grew up 1/2 mile from it and was in what i think is this house occasionally in the 80s based on the address i have seen online (1127 King Rd).


Murders were at 1122 King Rd.

quote:

Team Idaho Property Management Supervisor Merida McClanahan draws images of the layout of the first floor at 1122 King Road, where four University of Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-inside-off-campus-house-4-students-were-killed
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 10:22 pm to
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Fry also confirmed that the killer did not make the 911 call…

The chief stated that the call, placed at 11.58am, was made from the phone 'of one of the surviving roommates,' but did not share which person it was.

There were 'other friends' in the residence when the 911 call was made, he said.

… Investigators has previously disclosed that Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke, the two other residents of the off-campus house, were at home on the night of the attack.

Now, officials say there were in fact others in the home present when police were dispatched to the scene.

'There was other friends that had arrived at the location,' Fry said Sunday, confirming speculation that others were in the home.

Upon arrival at the home, police located the four victims - two on the second floor, two on the third floor.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11450857/Cops-say-house-night-Idaho-murders-NO-strong-leads.html
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/20/22 at 10:28 pm to
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There were 'other friends' in the residence when the 911 call was made, he said. … Investigators has previously disclosed that Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke, the two other residents of the off-campus house, were at home on the night of the attack. Now, officials say there were in fact others in the home present when police were dispatched to the scene.


Could be they called friends over to the house because they were afraid to be there by themselves, even with police on the way over.

….However, even though I’m leaning on the side of the roommates being innocent, the details of the circumstances of their discovery of the bodies still seem weird.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted by s0tiger
Member since May 2008
854 posts
Posted on 11/20/22 at 10:37 pm to
Thanks, for clarifying the address. I think I pulled the other one from a Daily Mail article.

I don't remember this house specifically, but the apartments to the left as you look at it were there back then. This area is a transition from bottom of the hill to top of the hill. There is a property directly behind and above this house we would take a "short cut" through all the time. The back of this house would also have been pretty private.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8239 posts
Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:05 pm to
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I’m leaning on the side of the roommates being innocent, the details of the circumstances of their discovery of the bodies still seem weird.


I think they are probably innocent as well, but waiting until friends arrive to call police and then just saying someone was unconscious are very strange. Maybe they did drugs the night before and were still tripping or stoned.

The cops should have gotten more experienced help sooner regardless, but the roommates weird actions may caused them to focus on them or friends early thinking they would just break & confess and have to play catch up. Trash bins not looked at until Tuesday and possibly mixed in garbage truck, and nearby tire track just examined a couple of days ago on top of some of their early statements make it obvious it was too big for them.


Family made a pretty strong positive statement about the ex. I guess too many people speculating about the calls. Also parents believing they would still end up marrying explains why she was drunk calling him.
quote:

The couple said investigators are 'wasting their time' looking into Jack DeCoeur, 26, their daughter's ex-boyfriend.

'Jack is just as distraught as we are. Jack is our family. Jacks is 1,000 percent, 2,000 percent our family, and Jack is with us,' Kristi told the host. 'We stand behind him 100 percent.'

It was revealed that Kaylee, 21, and Maddie Mogen, 21, called Jack at least seven times shortly before their deaths in the very early hours of the morning last Sunday.

… Kristi told Jones that she believes her daughter and Jack 'would have eventually been married.'

'They would have eventually had children,' she said, explaining that the pair had dated for years and were on track to reconcile after spending some time apart.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449857/We-stand-Jack-1000-Parents-murdered-Idaho-student-insist-ex-boyfriend-innocent.html
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 11:10 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:11 pm to
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I think they are probably innocent as well, but waiting until friends arrive to call police and then just saying someone was unconscious are very strange.


Maybe it’s a case of “you don’t know what you would do until you experience it,” but if I had stumbled upon a horror scene like has been described, I would be too spooked to even be in the house.
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