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Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:38 am to LemmyLives
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Battery fatigue will go away, based on what, hopes and unicorn farts?
My hope is that the fear about this goes away the same way all mythologies do.
I feel like in conversations like this, people latch onto “8 years”, forget how batteries work and imagine that they just up and die on day 2,922 of ownership for “reasons”.
Everyone has a smartphone, right? Lots of them are 3 years old or older, right? Those phones (on average) were typically rated to get 500-700 cycle counts out of their batteries and they almost always go beyond that. We know this because people are not taking iPhone 13s in large numbers back to Apple to have batteries replaced.
And yes, a car battery is a little more complicated than that (you need thermal management, more components, etc) but conceptually it’s the same. You mentioned unicorn farts…well, the warranty expiring isn’t the bat signal for magical goblins to take up residence in your Tesla battery pack either.
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:38 am to LemmyLives
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I'll bet that battery prices per watt-hour will be cheaper in 8 years.
I'll bet that any given Tesla battery will *not* require replacement in 8 years.
I'll even bet that the per-mile fuel/electricity cost will be even more in favor of EVs in 8 years.
How? Did we already ink a trade agreement and mining contracts with Greenland? Battery fatigue will go away, based on what, hopes and unicorn farts? And your third statement is based on AI sucking up increasing amounts of power and all those nuke permits we started fast tracking a week ago?
Would you or Darth like to take any of the bets or not?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:54 am to Korkstand
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Darth like to take any of the bets or not
Sure. As long as you agree that any subsidies applied to energy generation (looking at you "renewables") and storage are not counted in the electricity cost calculation. If I'm not dead, you'll get your six pack of craft beer.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:09 pm to oldskule
Bad idea
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:11 pm to LemmyLives
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Sure. As long as you agree that any subsidies applied to energy generation (looking at you "renewables") and storage are not counted in the electricity cost calculation.
Alright, well you go ahead and add those up and don't forget the O&G subsidies.
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If I'm not dead, you'll get your six pack of craft beer.
I was thinking something more on par with the cost of a battery replacement.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:16 pm to Hester Carries
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You can get a 1.5 yr old Rivian that sold for 90K new for like 50K.
True, but why catch a falling knife? That car could easily be worth much lower than $50k in a few more years if battery tech sees a big improvement.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:17 pm to tigerbaiter
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Daughter in law went hybrid. Insurance went down.
Just bought my wife a new hybrid and our insurance went down as well.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:30 am to ChatGPT of LA
quote:Wrong, cost to own a Tesla is lower than literally any new ICE vehicle out there
Costs add up to more, and insurance as well.
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:56 am to kywildcatfanone
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$20K for batteries at 8 years. Plan ahead.
Peanuts!
Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:14 am to TigerTatorTots
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Wrong, cost to own a Tesla is lower than literally any new ICE vehicle out there
Sorry, but I don't believe this for one second.
It seems like Rav4, CRV, Accord, Camry, Civic, Corolla would be the lowest cost to own when you factor in all items including tires, insurance and resale value.
Also, if you own an EV, do not park it in your garage or close to your house.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 12:32 pm to kywildcatfanone
They have techs who have figured out how to replace bad cells and not just the entire pack.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:24 pm to TigerTatorTots
Land Rover, still the champ... 
Now do depreciation...
Now do depreciation...
Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:39 pm to Dog Tree
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Also, if you own an EV, do not park it in your garage or close to your house.
There are millions of Teslas parked in garages right now.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:52 pm to oldskule
Get a hybrid
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