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re: I urge you to watch this before getting the COVID vaccine
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:36 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:36 pm to Obtuse1
I get that you’ve discounted it without listening to the whole 37 minutes even though most of the information cited is from a deep knowledge base and not web scrapping. And some of the conclusions may be out there. Whatever.
But it is interesting information that should be heard, if you want more than to blindly support the popular narrative and look at all sides. Which is what I do.
But it is interesting information that should be heard, if you want more than to blindly support the popular narrative and look at all sides. Which is what I do.
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Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:38 pm to Bullfrog
quote:
But it is interesting information that should be heard, if you want more than to blindly support the popular narrative and look at all sides. Which is what I do.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:39 pm to A Smoke Break
Xactly
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:44 pm to bamapoet
quote:I don’t know about others but I’m about six weeks removed from my second Moderna and I didn’t notice any side effects at all.
I had my second shot, yesterday. How long does it normally take, before you start feeling like crap ?
But I’m a sheeple and a Microsoft 5G hotspot.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:45 pm to Lsupimp
quote:So? That's good business sense on the part of employers. I think they should have that freedom.
That’s simple. Because job opportunities, travel opportunities, employment opportunities may be limited based on whether people have a vaccine or not.
quote:No it's not.
And because requiring people to produce a health record is in violation of every known HIPPA standard that our society has.
quote:He doesn't have to. It's just that if he doesn't, then he is also choosing to possibly limit his employment/travel/etc opportunities. Funny thing about freedom, if you have it then so should everyone else, and that includes businesses.
But because I chose the vaccine doesn’t mean my neighbor should have to .
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:48 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
I don’t know about others but I’m about six weeks removed from my second Moderna and I didn’t notice any side effects at all.
But I’m a sheeple and a Microsoft 5G hotspot.
Lucky. I felt like someone shot me in my gut, i just came off a bender, and had a fight all at once.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 12:52 pm to Bullfrog
quote:Dis/misinformation should be heard?
But it is interesting information that should be heard
quote:"Popular narrative"
if you want more than to blindly support the popular narrative and look at all sides
I wonder why it's so popular?
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:09 pm to Bullfrog
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I get that you’ve discounted it without listening to the whole 37 minutes even though most of the information cited is from a deep knowledge base and not web scrapping. And some of the conclusions may be out there. Whatever.
Why did you make this assumption? I listened to the entire vlog specifically to be able to talk about it intelligently.
I soldiered on despite the fact he based his entire logical leap to it impacting non-vaccinated people due to mRNA in shed skin cells (the Pigpen analogy). This shows an incredibly flawed understanding of the process by which the mRNA vaccine works. The flaw that then discounts everything he says after that is the mRNA is the vaccine is EXTREMELY fragile. This has been one of the difficulties in realizing mRNA vaccines is getting a protective coating that will allow the mRNA to stay intact for a few hours once injected.* It is also the reason the mRNA vaccines have to be refrigerated at extremely low temperatures to prevent degradation of the mRNA.
The problem with fearmongers like Mr. High is the average person knows next to nothing about cellular biology. They are also easily confused by concepts like temporal correlation and causation.
To reiterate the basis of his entire hypothesis is quicksand. The mRNA in the vaccines are nowhere near robust enough to cause the effect he is suggesting, it is pure bunk.
*without the fatty coating on the mRNA the enzymes in your body would break it down prior to it being able to enter the dendritic cells and macrophages proximate to the injection site
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:12 pm to Korkstand
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Dis/misinformation should be heard?
It's like the left and right switched places over the past 50 years.
Progs label everything they dislike as disinformation. Everyone is sick of it.
Between two extremes you probably find truth. You need all information out there.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:18 pm to Obtuse1
quote:Interesting. Thanks for your take.
The mRNA in the vaccines are nowhere near robust enough to cause the effect he is suggesting, it is pure bunk.
I will re-listen, makes some notes and explore further over the weekend.
ETA: My assumption came from only generalities being given as basis to disregard.
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:21 pm to Bullfrog
quote:
But it is interesting information that should be heard
The cowardly new world doesn't appreciate dissent.
Yes, there are legit reasons to worry about this vaccine. Anyone saying otherwise is just an outlet for propaganda.
The issue as always are the tradeoffs. I got it, it benefits me more than not, but if youre young and healthy, I understand putting it off.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The Fundamentalist Covidians become enraged with even any minor deviation from the State orthodoxy. Look at how enraged they become with 2 guys who actually took the vaccine but have healthy skepticism about it and explain why. It’s becoming a true Fundamentalism.There is no freedom they won’t give up because the nice man on tv tells them it’s for their “ health “. Pseudo -religion will do that to you.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:45 pm to Lsupimp
I got the vaccine not because the government told me to, or because I live in fear of this virus(had it and felt pretty crummy for 2 weeks, much like the flu can do), I know the virus won’t kill me as I am in good shape with a healthy immune system.
I got the vaccine because I understand the concept of herd immunity. Once the percentage of people who are immunocompetent to this virus is high enough it’s spread will greatly diminish. At that point the power hungry politicians many have referenced will no longer have a leg to stand on and life as usual can resume. At least that is my hope and because I understand vaccines and immunology and have no fear of such(after all I’ve willingly put much worse things in my system) I got the vaccine. My hope is that these poor small businesses and other industries that have been decimated by this pandemic can recover and return to the livelihoods that they worked so hard for.
I got the vaccine because I understand the concept of herd immunity. Once the percentage of people who are immunocompetent to this virus is high enough it’s spread will greatly diminish. At that point the power hungry politicians many have referenced will no longer have a leg to stand on and life as usual can resume. At least that is my hope and because I understand vaccines and immunology and have no fear of such(after all I’ve willingly put much worse things in my system) I got the vaccine. My hope is that these poor small businesses and other industries that have been decimated by this pandemic can recover and return to the livelihoods that they worked so hard for.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 1:46 pm to Lsupimp
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The Fundamentalist Covidians become enraged with even any minor deviation from the State orthodoxy. Look at how enraged they become with 2 guys who actually took the vaccine but have healthy skepticism about it and explain why. It’s becoming a true Fundamentalism.There is no freedom they won’t give up because the nice man on tv tells them it’s for their “ health “. Pseudo -religion will do that to you.
No one here is enraged lol.
I was just laughing at your fundamental misunderstanding of a law you couldn’t even spell properly.
I even gave you a chance to explain why you believed there could be a HIPAA issue. Unsurprisingly, you declined to answer.
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
FTR Karen , each of my daily clients must sign a HIPAA form and I have received professional accreditation on HIPAA. God forbid I fat finger a word on my iPhone. Oh, the horror.
As for “ vaccine passports “ and other Social Credit score - style platforms that you ladies champion, whether you site HIPAA , The Constitution, general ethics- only a complete moral idiot would minimize the risk of giving more public and private bureaucrats control over your life, your freedom to travel, whether you can work or go to school etc.
As for “ vaccine passports “ and other Social Credit score - style platforms that you ladies champion, whether you site HIPAA , The Constitution, general ethics- only a complete moral idiot would minimize the risk of giving more public and private bureaucrats control over your life, your freedom to travel, whether you can work or go to school etc.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:02 pm to Lsupimp
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As for “ vaccine passports “ and other Social Credit score - style platforms that you ladies champion
I honestly haven't seen a single person here champion any of this
might I ask you to provide a few examples?
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Fake news
Progs label everything they dislike as disinformation. Everyone is sick of it.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:08 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
FTR Karen , each of my daily clients must sign a HIPAA form and I have received professional accreditation on HIPAA.
Ok. So now explain how an employer or other business may violate HIPAA if they request, or even demand, to see proof of vaccination.
Before you fly off the handle in rage, I’m not saying they should. I’m just trying to find out why you think that’s a HIPAA violation.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Don't really classify myself as a "prog", but there is plenty that I dislike yet accept as truth. I label disinformation as disinformation. There is a large chunk of the population that does label everything they dislike as "fake news", but that ain't me.
Progs label everything they dislike as disinformation.
quote:Where do you think the extremes are in this discussion?
Between two extremes you probably find truth.
quote:The problem is that far too many people consider anything that anyone says to be "information". So while we do need all the information, we need to be better at identifying dis/misinformation. Like I said earlier, it's far better to be completely ignorant than to be disinformed.
You need all information out there.
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/23/21 at 2:16 pm to Korkstand
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And you can do all the hard work you want, it won't stop you from passing it on to someone who could die from it regardless of how much hard work they put in. The vaccine probably will, though.
Here's the thing. Why not let us choose. Fat an out of shape indoor types can rely on the vaccine and healthy active people can choose otherwise if they wish. Stop being a busybody and placing your short comings on everyone else. This slow but incrementalism toward mandatory vaccines for everyone is ANTI-SCIENCE. Let people choose. Err on the side of liberty, always.
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