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re: I said, "My name is Patrick!"(police bodycam)
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 7/16/16 at 9:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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VerlanderBEAST
Hopefully ur next
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Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:26 pm to Willie Stroker
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cops were aggressive, but not unlawful. It may be unwise for them to be aggressive, but it's not unlawful. When it comes to taking someone into custody, being aggressive results in quicker compliance. It worked in this case.
The fact that they felt the need to REPEATEDLY lie to justify their actions indicates they themselves realized what they did could potentially land them in hot water.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:29 pm to supatigah
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They tell him to get out of the car repeatedly and he refuses?
ACtually, he did the first time. He was up and they told him he was being arrested (gave no reason). That is when he got back on.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:30 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Actually he was asked to turn around so they can pat him and secure a safe situation but don't let facts get in your fricking way
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:34 pm to munchman
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Guy reaching for his wallet....after being clearly told to get out of the car. Constitutes failure to comply and resisting. The cause of all latest police problems with perps.
When he reached instead of getting out of the car.....would have easily constituted a good shoot.
He's lucky to be alive.
More thug BS nothing new to see.
What?
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:35 pm to supatigah
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What is strange is they asked him his name three times, he didn't answer one, he muttered "ok patrick" the 2nd and then he said "uhhhh Patrick" the third time. Everything until then was calm, they told him to stand up, he did then he immediately sat back down, grabbed the steering wheel and refused every order. What happened in his mind when after he stood up he then thought it was a good idea to sit back down in the car and grab the steering wheel? Everything went to hell at that point when he sat down. Patrick is a dumb MFer
It's telling that you focus solely on Patrick and not the cops who are held to a higher standard and paid by us. No mention of their refusal to show the warrant. No mention of them not telling him why he was being arrested. NO mention of them lying about asking for his ID card. No mention of them rolling up on him and simply saynig "Hey what's your name"
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:37 pm to supatigah
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They tell him to get out of the car repeatedly and he refuses? He tells them to "call his people" but they still don't know who he is. They tell him they are going to tase him if he doesn't comply and he tries to shut the door on them?
He DID get out of the car. He gave them his name (twice) and stood up out of the car, where the officers then told him he was being arrested (despite never so much as asking for an ID and being told he wasn't who they were looking for) and he promptly sits back down. Had Patrick obeyed, he literally would have been in handcuffs and in the back of a police car before anyone even attempted to figure out if he was who they were after.
It blows my mind that some of you think this was appropriate police behavior. I have a strong suspicion that if this had been a 24 year old white LSU student with no criminal history the response would be pure, unanimous outrage.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
Or they wanted to make sure he wasn't armed while they sort things out but frick it lets ignore safety of the officers lives and lets hood rats retreat into vehicles
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:44 pm to Chad504boy
He was asked to stand up, he did. He then asked, again, what was going on. When he was ignored, again, he sat down.
Do you even have to comply to a police officer without a warrant when you are on your own property? For example, if an officer knocks on my door right now and tells me to lay on the ground, would I actually have to do that?
That would scare the shite out of me if 3 officers ambushed me and would not tell me what was going on after I repeatedly asked and I knew I had not done anything illegal. My mind would immediately think I was being set up or was in danger.
Do you even have to comply to a police officer without a warrant when you are on your own property? For example, if an officer knocks on my door right now and tells me to lay on the ground, would I actually have to do that?
That would scare the shite out of me if 3 officers ambushed me and would not tell me what was going on after I repeatedly asked and I knew I had not done anything illegal. My mind would immediately think I was being set up or was in danger.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:45 pm to jsquardjj
Jesus Pete I feel like this thread is filled with the most dumbassary I've ever seen in my life
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:47 pm to jsquardjj
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That would scare the shite out of me if 3 officers ambushed me and would not tell me what was going on after I repeatedly asked and I knew I had not done anything illegal. My mind would immediately think I was being set up or was in danger.
The trust some people put in law enforcement boggles the mind.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:47 pm to Chad504boy
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lets hood rats retreat into vehicles
Suspicion confirmed
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:51 pm to bhtigerfan
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But once again, this goes back to the crime stats. Cops deal with violent young black men alot in their job, and it makes them jumpy. There was a study that concluded that black police officers were inclined to shoot a black man even quicker than white officers. It's not racism, it's experience and fear.
I know you did not say say that it was this, but that does not make it okay.
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There was a study that concluded that black police officers were inclined to shoot a black man even quicker than white officers.
Yep, and therein lies some of the rub
This post was edited on 7/16/16 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:51 pm to jsquardjj
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For example, if an officer knocks on my door right now and tells me to lay on the ground, would I actually have to do that?
Of course not, and any attempt to force you to do so would be assault.
Police are governed by the same rules and laws of social interaction as everyone else except for in very specific circumstances where they are allowed to forcibly detain/restrain someone who is not trying to harm them.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 10:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
Kid was on probation already and the cops believed they had a warrant for this mistaken kids arrest, this isn't difficult shite
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:02 pm to Chad504boy
About as difficult as telling the guy what they are there for. "Michael Clay, we have a warrant for your arrest" would have all that needed to be said.
At least then Patrick would have understood that it was a mix up and that he didn't need to be afraid since it would be cleared up quickly.
At least then Patrick would have understood that it was a mix up and that he didn't need to be afraid since it would be cleared up quickly.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Yup...white LSU student or imagine if it was an All-American LSU football player. That cop and his family would in hiding.
I have a strong suspicion that if this had been a 24 year old white LSU student with no criminal history the response would be pure, unanimous outrage.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:22 pm to jsquardjj
The video in the OP is propaganda from Patrick's lawyer. The raw videos from all three cops sheds light on the entire sequence. In hindsight the cops definitely over reacted and there is no excuse for not asking for the ID. Where I give them the benefit of the doubt is there is no way I would let that kid reach into his pocket while sitting in the car. So asking for his ID after he is standing is the proper procedure. They told him he was under arrest before they had his ID and they should be suspended at the very least. When Patrick sat back down and grabbed the steering wheel he escalated the situation beyond their mistake to his disregard for their orders. Even if he was mistakenly detained it should have been cleared up peacefully (as it was after they tazed him and took him out of the vehicle) until he resisted. There is plenty of wrong on both sides of this and it will be good for training cops and the overall discussion about revising police tactics.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:28 pm to supatigah
So you would willingly and without protest allow yourself to be handcuffed, placed in a squad car and have your property rifled through simply for being the unfortunate victim of mistaken identity? Sorry, I don't believe that.
Had the cops walked up and said "We have an arrest warrant for a man named Michael who matches your description, could you please gives us your name and identification?" this would have gone much differently. Instead, they walk up and ask him who he is with no explanation and then tell him hey have a warrant for HIS arrest and he is under arrest without ever asking for ID.
Had the cops walked up and said "We have an arrest warrant for a man named Michael who matches your description, could you please gives us your name and identification?" this would have gone much differently. Instead, they walk up and ask him who he is with no explanation and then tell him hey have a warrant for HIS arrest and he is under arrest without ever asking for ID.
Posted on 7/16/16 at 11:33 pm to jsquardjj
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About as difficult as telling the guy what they are there for. "Michael Clay, we have a warrant for your arrest" would have all that needed to be said.
At least then Patrick would have understood that it was a mix up and that he didn't need to be afraid since it would be cleared up quickly.
Changes nothing. Cops still would have wanted to make sure kid wasn't packing
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