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re: I feel like Britain's 50 year war against the slave trade is under-taught part of history
Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:01 am to OceanMan
Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:01 am to OceanMan
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Britain did not gain any financial benefit from this, it was purely of the heart.
if you believe that, and are not trolling....mother of god
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:53 pm to Turbeauxdog
Ugh what? We have literally devolved into two hands that hate each other and think their way is the only way.
But solid response. I'm sure it took a lot of thought.
But solid response. I'm sure it took a lot of thought.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:02 pm to TBoy
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The prevailing right wing philosophy is that you can’t teach the history unless it aligns with their preconceived and uneducated fantasies about how the information makes them feel.
Since a discussion about attacks on the slave trade requires acknowledgment of the trade, it’s difficult to predict how this makes them feel. You would just have to ask Jeff Landry or Ron Desantis to make a decision about whether you can learn about this topic.
I feel like this board deserves better trolls.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:11 pm to SpotCheckBilly
A couple thoughts
Read the Courtney series by Wilbur Smith, the English trade in Africa brought progress and brutality.
The Brits can be given accolades for bringing the English language to India, where no common language existed, but they were brutal there to.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
After they made billions on it lol
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:46 pm to TBoy
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The prevailing right wing philosophy is that you can’t teach the history unless it aligns with their preconceived and uneducated fantasies about how the information makes them feel.
Since a discussion about attacks on the slave trade requires acknowledgment of the trade, it’s difficult to predict how this makes them feel. You would just have to ask Jeff Landry or Ron Desantis to make a decision about whether you can learn about this topic.
What a weak minded response
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:54 pm to Trevaylin
quote:To WHOM?!?!?
The Brits can be given accolades for bringing the English language to India, where no common language existed, but they were brutal there to.
You can’t leave us hanging like this!
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:02 pm to TBoy
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Since a discussion about attacks on the slave trade requires acknowledgment of the trade, it’s difficult to predict how this makes them feel.
Who is uncomfortable?
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Distribution of slaves (1519–1867)
Destination
Portuguese America 38.5%
British West Indies 18.4%
Spanish Empire 17.5%
French West Indies 13.6%
English/British North America / United States 9.7%
Dutch West Indies 2.0%
Danish West Indies 0.3%
Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, kidnapping adults and stealing children for the purpose of selling them, through intermediaries, to Europeans or their agents. Those sold into slavery were usually from a different ethnic group than those who captured them, whether enemies or just neighbors. These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings were only interested in protecting their own ethnic group, but sometimes criminals would be sold to get rid of them. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans.
…Africans from the Gold Coast (present-day Ghana) also participated in the slave trade through intermarriage, or cassare (taken from Italian, Spanish, or Portuguese), meaning 'to set up house'. It is derived from the Portuguese word 'casar', meaning 'to marry'. Cassare formed political and economic bonds between European and African slave traders. Cassare was a pre-European-contact practice used to integrate the "other" from a differing African tribe. Early on in the Atlantic slave trade, it was common for the powerful elite West African families to marry off their women to the European traders in alliance, bolstering their syndicate. The marriages were even performed using African customs, which Europeans did not object to, seeing how important the connections were.
… In parts of Africa, convicted criminals could be punished by enslavement, a punishment which became more prevalent as slavery became more lucrative. Since most of these nations did not have a prison system, convicts were often sold or used in the scattered local domestic slave market.
… Africans captured and then sold as slaves to the New World in the Atlantic slave trade, around 90% were enslaved by fellow Africans who sold them to European traders. Henry Louis Gates, the Harvard Chair of African and African American Studies, has stated that "without complex business partnerships between African elites and European traders and commercial agents, the slave trade to the New World would have been impossible, at least on the scale it occurred."
… 50% of deaths in Africa occurred as a result of wars between native kingdoms, which produced the majority of slaves. This includes those who died in battles and those who died as a result of forced marches to slave ports on the coast. The practice of enslaving enemy combatants and their villages was widespread throughout Western and West Central Africa,
Slavery in Africa
… Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa. Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa in ancient times, as they were in much of the rest of the ancient world. When the trans-Saharan slave trade, Indian Ocean slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the pre-existing local African slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa. Slavery in contemporary Africa is still practiced despite it being illegal.
… Military slavery involved the acquisition and training of conscripted military units which would retain the identity of military slaves even after their service.
This was most significant in the Nile valley, with slave military units organized by various Islamic authorities, and with the war chiefs of Western Africa. The military units in Sudan were formed in the 1800s through large-scale military raiding in the area which is currently the countries of Sudan and South Sudan.
… Human sacrifice was common in West African states up to and during the 19th century…in those societies that practiced human sacrifice, slaves became the most prominent victims.
… The entire Bubi ethnic group descends from escaped intertribal slaves owned by various ancient West-central African ethnic groups.
…From 1250 Egypt had been ruled by the Bahri dynasty of Kipchak Turk origin. White enslaved people from the Caucasus served in the army and formed an elite corps of troops, eventually revolting in Egypt to form the Burgi dynasty.
According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves to North Africa and the Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries.
…Slavery in northern Africa dates back to ancient Egypt. The New Kingdom (1558–1080 BC) brought in large numbers of slaves as prisoners of war up the Nile valley and used them for domestic and supervised labour. Ptolemaic Egypt (305 BC–30 BC) used both land and sea routes to bring slaves in
… the slave trade was not abolished legally until 1923 with Ethiopia's ascension to the League of Nations. Anti-Slavery Society estimated there were 2 million slaves in the early 1930s, out of an estimated population of between 8 and 16 million.
Slavery continued in Ethiopia until the Italian invasion in October 1935, when the institution was abolished by order of the Italian occupying forces. In response to pressure by Western Allies of World War II, Ethiopia officially abolished slavery and involuntary servitude after having regained its independence in 1942. On 26 August 1942, Haile Selassie issued a proclamation outlawing slavery.
… In some parts of Africa, slavery and slavery-like practices continue to this day, particularly the illegal trafficking of women and children.
Slave Trade Banning Led By Europeans & US
Efforts by Europeans against slavery and the slave trade began in the late 18th century and had a large impact on slavery in Africa. Portugal was the first country in the continent to abolish slavery in metropolitan Portugal and Portuguese India by a bill issued on 12 February 1761, but this did not affect their colonies in Brazil and Africa. France abolished slavery in 1794. However, slavery was again allowed by Napoleon in 1802 and not abolished for good until 1848. In 1803, Denmark-Norway became the first country from Europe to implement a ban on the slave trade. Slavery itself was not banned until 1848. Britain followed this with the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 which freed all slaves in the British Empire.
British pressure on other countries resulted in them agreeing to end the slave trade from Africa. For example, the 1820 U.S. Law on Slave Trade made slave trading piracy, punishable by death. In addition, the Ottoman Empire abolished slave trade from Africa in 1847 under British pressure.
… The British took an active approach to stopping the illegal Atlantic slave trade during this period. The West Africa Squadron was credited with capturing 1,600 slave ships between 1808 and 1860, and freeing 150,000 Africans who were aboard these ships. Action was also taken against African leaders who refused to agree to British treaties to outlaw the trade, for example against ‘the usurping King of Lagos’, deposed in 1851.
… internal slavery was most important to Africa in the second half of the 19th century, stating "if there is any time when one can speak of African societies being organized around a slave mode production, [1850–1900] was it".
Left, evolved culture, & have been saving Africa from itself ever since…
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I bet progressives of the day called the ban racist because it disenfranchised African slavers.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:43 pm to Napoleon
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Ugh what? We have literally devolved into two hands that hate each other and think their way is the only way.
Only one side has devolved.
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