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re: I don't respect people when they tell me they believe in ghosts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:18 pm to yoga girl
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:18 pm to yoga girl
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More accurately, spirits are a fact
This is an article from 2020. Im not saying you are right or wrong, but I thought this was interesting.
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Since the dawn of mankind, people have claimed to have been visited by ghosts, spirits and demons. Coincidentally, the majority of people will say that their paranormal experience had occurred in the dead of night.
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But scientists believe they have a more rational explanation for this now, and theorise that paranormal experiences are nothing to do with ghosts, but to do with one’s sleep patterns.
Professor of Psychology at Goldsmiths University, Alice Gregory, believes there are several ways in which sleep disruption can be confused with ghouls.
One of the ways is through sleep paralysis – when you reach the deep sleep state, or REM state, where you become paralysed as to not act out your dreams.
However, around eight percent of people retain some form of consciousness when they are in an REM state so it seems as if their dreams are transferred into real life and it could be misinterpreted as seeing people and things which are not actually there.
Another possible explanation is something called exploding head syndrome where a loud bang is heard while you are drifting off, but there is no explanation for it.
express.co.uk.com
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:24 pm to BeepNode
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:40 pm to BeepNode
I personally don’t believe in ghosts, specters, wights, etc., but I have no issue with those that do. It’s my belief that there is a logical explanation for those phenomena. What makes them spectacular is a lack of information. With all the information, there is a reasonable explanation. It’s in that ‘lack’ though that people fill in with their own perspectives.
For some, they fill it with the supernatural. For me, I fill it with unknown physics. As long as you keep a fair amount of skepticism (so you don’t get taken advantage of by charlatans and/or quasi-scientists), it makes no real difference. It’s just a lens for viewing and processing the world.
For some, they fill it with the supernatural. For me, I fill it with unknown physics. As long as you keep a fair amount of skepticism (so you don’t get taken advantage of by charlatans and/or quasi-scientists), it makes no real difference. It’s just a lens for viewing and processing the world.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:03 am to Dominate308
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I think the consensus is they are not of this world/dimension and as such our physics do not apply and our instruments can't detect them.
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How convenient!
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I wonder how many people who have actually seen things still don’t believe?
Well, if they've seen things, or things have moved, that is something that can be detected by instruments. Or are the ghosts only affecting our minds/perceptions, and the things aren't physically moving?
Power of suggestion is strong. Once, while thinking about these things, I kind of felt a chill. Never anything else in the next 29 years living in that house. Power of suggestion.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:45 am to Swamp Angel
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That part isn't as silly as you may think. One of the main components in concrete is silica (SiO2). SiO2 is what is used to create thumb drives and other memory drives or storage folders on your computer by passing electrical current through it. Concrete mixtures also undergo a mild electrical exchange between ions as the water in the mixture reacts with the other components.
That concrete part could be a key feature of the phenomenon.
*If* cement could physically capture details of the environment that happened *before* it was poured and cured into concrete (a person passing through the area?), and *if* that concrete could then somehow emit some form of energy that represented that earlier environment due to some sort of later environmental change (recorded it), this is something that could be duplicated in a lab setting.
But I'm almost 100% certain (I'm open to being proven wrong) that the first case is simply impossible at any level that could be detected by human senses. Our senses rely on physical events. We cannot see in total darkness, there just is no possibility of that. Our eyes are sensors, there must be some photons to trigger them. If we 'see' in total darkness, that's our brains 'showing' us something that does not physically exist.
So that concrete would have to emit something that our senses could detect. And AFAIK, anything that has enough energy for me to see, hear, feel, taste, or smell can be detected by scientific instruments.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 9:57 am
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:55 am to UGATiger26
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I'm not aware that we possess any irrefutable evidence proving that the phenomenon we call "ghosts" is implausible.
Replace "implausible" with "impossible", and I can say:
Of course. It is well known that you can't prove a negative.
But the lack of actual evidence, or any plausible pathway of explanation for these things, I think shows that it is "implausible".
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:18 am to yoga girl
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Ghosts are a fact. More accurately, spirits are a fact. There are plenty of confirmed supernatural phenomena, and that is all I have to say on this subject.
Again, how convenient. I'd love to ask for some links to this "confirmed supernatural phenomena", but I guess it is "over and out" for you?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:20 am to HottyToddy7
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I have lived in a house with ghost. You don't have to believe me. I can't explain it. But I know it happened.
I believe that you believe it happened.
But that doesn't mean it really happened, in any physical sense.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:22 am to BeepNode
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What's the physics behind it?
We don't know what we don't know. Unless you are saying we know everything there is to know about physics.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:26 am to MidWestGuy
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Of course. It is well known that you can't prove a negative.
Sure you can.
Claim: there are no elephants in my bedroom.
Observation: I just searched my bedroom from top-to-bottom, and sure enough there are no elephants in there.
Conclusion: There are no elephants in my bedroom.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:27 am to lake chuck fan
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During the dark ages people didn't know germs/disease spread through the air.
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With so many people reporting supernatural phenomena, there has to be something going on.
Well, as you say, even the brightest, most informed geniuses of their day didn't understand germs/disease, just a few hundred years ago. It wasn't until the invention of the microscope, and the genius of Pasteur, that these things began to be understood.
But that didn't stop people from coming up with "explanations" for disease, often invoking the "supernatural".
BTW, I've read translations of Pasteur's original writings, he really was a hard working genius of observation and deduction and an early adopter of modern technology of the day. It's one thing to be smart and apply what we've been taught, but he figured out stuff that no one knew before. That's a special kind of smart. And, he applied it to help make better beer and wine and cheese - a true hero!
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:30 am to UGATiger26
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Sure you can.
Claim: there are no elephants in my bedroom.
Observation: I just searched my bedroom from top-to-bottom, and sure enough there are no elephants in there.
Conclusion: There are no elephants in my bedroom.
You need to look at it in the broader sense. No elephants in that space ever? And never will be?
But we know what an elephant is - no one has really defined what a "ghost" is, so how can we even say an undefined thing is not in the room right now?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:30 am to WaterLink
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Didn't Lucy Liu say she got fricked by a ghost?
Pictures? :)
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:32 am to MidWestGuy
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But that didn't stop people from coming up with "explanations" for disease, often invoking the "supernatural".
Interesting analogy.
So the people who invoked supernatural causes weren't incorrect; they just had the causation wrong. Their incorrect assumptions didn't make germs any less real.
Based on your analogy, I would assume that you're open to the idea that "ghosts" are real; we just don't understand their nature yet.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:43 am to UGATiger26
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Interesting analogy.
So the people who invoked supernatural causes weren't incorrect; they just had the causation wrong. Their incorrect assumptions didn't make germs any less real.
Based on your analogy, I would assume that you're open to the idea that "ghosts" are real; we just don't understand their nature yet.
No, not quite - because "ghosts" are being used as the explanation.
So for the analogy to work, it would have to be demonstrated that something was seen, was heard, or that an object was moved (analogous to the disease - the "thing"). Now we can move on to "what was the cause" (analogous to germs - the "cause" of the disease).
And I suspect (and open to being proven wrong) that in every case, a real, physical cause would be found. Just because it wasn't found at the time, or no one knew how to look for it, doesn't mean there isn't one. Just as the supernatural explanations for disease didn't mean that germs didn't exist.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:37 pm to BeepNode
How come ghosts are always dressed like they’re from the 1600’s-1930’s?
You never hear about anyone seeing a ghost in a hoodie and Air Force 1’s taking a big drag of a vape pen.
You never hear about anyone seeing a ghost in a hoodie and Air Force 1’s taking a big drag of a vape pen.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:44 pm to BeepNode
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Maybe ghosts will exist in 400 years. All I know is that they do not exist right now.
Just because you haven’t experienced them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
I can tell you from personal experience that paranormal activity exists.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:50 pm to reddy tiger
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You spelled god wrong.
Actually, you misspelled God.
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