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re: I am confused: What the "other" side of these race issue?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:48 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:48 am to StrongSafety
Jesus, the media is so fricking good at what they do. Right, left, whatever. It just promotes a growing society of people who only want to hear like opinions and automatically discredit opposing views. We are talking about less than 15-20 actual INITIAL stories/crimes/tragedies in maybe the last 2 years that got popular involving less than 500 people conservatively out of 300+ million people and it triggers so much response.
Instantaneous information and the ability for a select few to manipulate it as they please is really fricking scary considering the response it generates.
People just need to live their life. Stop letting other people dictate your thoughts and emotions regardless of where you stand on these matters.
Instantaneous information and the ability for a select few to manipulate it as they please is really fricking scary considering the response it generates.
People just need to live their life. Stop letting other people dictate your thoughts and emotions regardless of where you stand on these matters.
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Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:48 am to cave canem
Not worth my time reading any further.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:50 am to fightin tigers
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Why does he want to separate himself from a majority of Americans?
To you find it plausible to blame him for the existence in which He found himself. He did not socially construct the racial perimeters that mitigated his experiences.
How do black Americans know the experiences of white American? Well we know, historically, from all the things we have been barred from (freedom, fair loans, equality, swimming pools, etc), that our counter parts could to experience we could not. It is experience through the absence or barring of actual freedoms and experiences your neighbors have, under the construct of our society.
I can't tell you exactly how it is to be white, but I can tell you what is to be black at various standpoints in history, and it is in complete constrast to what it was to be white.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 1:59 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:54 am to StrongSafety
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I can't tell you exactly how it is to be white,
Yes, you can.
YES YOU CAN BECAUSE *YOU* *ARE* *WHITE*!!!
YOU
ARE
WHITE
CAUCASIAN
NOT BLACK.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:55 am to StrongSafety
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To you find it plausible to blame him for the existence in which He found himself. He did not socially construct the racial perimeters that mitigated his experiences. How do black Americans know the experiences of white American? Well we know, historically, from all the things we have been barred from (freedom, fair loans, equality, swimming pools, etc), that our counter parts could to experience we could not. It's experience through the absence or barring of actual freedoms and experiences your neighbors have, under the construct of our society. I can't tell you exactly how it is to be white, but I can tell you what is to be black at various standpoints in history, and it is incomplete constrast to what it was to be white.
Holy delusional frick balls.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:01 am to Zoltan
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People just need to live their life. Stop letting other people dictate your thoughts and emotions regardless of where you stand on these matters.
Would be easy If monuments weren't being threatened and if the people who buy into things, did not do things that could possibly effect your life.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:03 am to StrongSafety
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To you find it plausible to blame him for the existence in which He found himself. He did not socially construct the racial perimeters that mitigated his experiences.
Dude was raised by whites in Hawaii and went to Harvard.
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all the things we have been barred from (freedom, fair loans, equality, swimming pools, etc
Stop pissing in them!
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 2:05 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:14 am to StrongSafety
just ignore this troll.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:20 am to SEClint
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Would be easy If monuments weren't being threatened and if the people who buy into things, did not do things that could possibly effect your life.
The Robert E Lee monument could have disappeared overnight and barely anyone would notice or care. Make a loud news story about it and charge people emotions and then all of a sudden people give a shite.
And shite happens, it's always happened. The only thing that changes is how often you hear and see about it. People will always find a reason to do bad things, self justification is easy.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:27 am to Zoltan
A lot of people would notice and a lot of people would care. It is a very famous monument in a heavily traveled part of town....in a spot called Lee Circle
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:36 am to Hammertime
Lol I'm familiar with Lee Circle. The monument is constantly surrounded with bums passed out all around it. State treasure that one is. Seriously, how often do you pass Lee Circle, stop and just get all warm and fuzzy inside to see the monument? I know that's not the point of the whole thing, I'm just saying it's not that big of a deal if that's the opportunity cost of racial tensions causing incident.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:24 am to SEClint
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Dude was raised by whites in Hawaii and went to Harvard.
Bingo, he knows less about being disinfranchised than poor whites. The man is a joke.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:25 am to StrongSafety
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quote: Actually, it would help race and political relations 1,000,000% if he didn't bring it up in every single conversation....about every single topic....multiple times each day.
My question for you: we teach our young children, and especially our boys, to confront their fears and their problems to resolve them. And that running from them only makes the problem worse. Acting as if the problem will disappear on its own will not actually solve the problem.
We teach our children to confront their fears that may not even exist at the time? His point was that race is thrown into every single situation whether or not race actually played a role in it. How is that hard to understand?
And why do you always post as if everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong? I don't think I've ever seen you acknowledge someone else for being right and you being wrong. You instead turn it around to a different topic to help support your side
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 3:26 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:34 am to jg8623
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And why do you always post as if everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong? I don't think I've ever seen you acknowledge someone else for being right and you being wrong. You instead turn it around to a different topic to help support your side
It's called moving the goalpost and being intellectually dishonest. Progs are masters of this.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:34 am to StrongSafety
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He spoke as a black man to America there. His experiences effect his rhetoric just like another else. Did we not expect that or did we expect him to not be himself to appease the majority?
How about he speaks as the President of the United States instead of speaking as a black man?
ETA: Wait a minute.... You're a black guy now???
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 3:37 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:28 am to StrongSafety
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What your implying can pretty much be applicable to ALL Americans at some point.
He's not the fricking "uplifter in chief".
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But what happens if all Americans don't have the same shared experiences and history because of history?
What your implying can pretty much be applicable to ALL Americans at some point.
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Isn't his job as a leader entail uplifting those that feel left out?
He's not the fricking "uplifter in chief".
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:48 am to StrongSafety
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Why does it seem to anger the majority when he empathizes with the group he fails
He doesn't simply empathize with black's but subtlety accuses whites. The fact that racism isn't tangible - something that can be physically measured - puts white people in a Kafka-esque position.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 5:58 am to StrongSafety
Strong,
Obama isn't a black man. He doesn't know of the struggles the typical black man has lived through.
So, when he identifies himself as such he comes if as a disingenuous hack I knew he would be. He plays class warfare and it's tearing the country apart.
Obama isn't a black man. He doesn't know of the struggles the typical black man has lived through.
So, when he identifies himself as such he comes if as a disingenuous hack I knew he would be. He plays class warfare and it's tearing the country apart.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 6:02 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 6:15 am to StrongSafety
I'll counter your question with a single question. The answer to the following question is also the root cause of all your questions. When are black americans going to accept and fix THEIR problems?
Black americans continue to blame a government and system for transgressions that occurred hundreds of years ago. Transgressions which involved no one alive today and was not illegal at the time.
Black americans struggles are directly tied to their social and moral values. They are the only group of immigrants (we all are immigrants) that can not ascend the socioeconomic ladder, and this is not due to racism or oppression. There was/is racism and oppression of Irish, italian, and currently mexican americans. Yet they seem to have overcome these barriers. The problem with the majority of black americans is that they DO NOT want to cimb the socioeconomic ladder. They want someone to put them in an elevator and bring them to the top. Their communities are broken because they idolize rappers and drug dealers who steal, murder, and leave broken families in their wake to create the next generation of dysfunction.
The answer to black americans problems is within themselves. They need to stop turning their back on their communities and clean them up. Stay with your families and dont leave a child without a father. Give yound blacks a positive role model Etc.
OBAMA had a chance to address these issues but he chooses to solidify black americans thoughts that their problems are from outside influences. And this is exactly why you see race relations at an all time low.
Black americans continue to blame a government and system for transgressions that occurred hundreds of years ago. Transgressions which involved no one alive today and was not illegal at the time.
Black americans struggles are directly tied to their social and moral values. They are the only group of immigrants (we all are immigrants) that can not ascend the socioeconomic ladder, and this is not due to racism or oppression. There was/is racism and oppression of Irish, italian, and currently mexican americans. Yet they seem to have overcome these barriers. The problem with the majority of black americans is that they DO NOT want to cimb the socioeconomic ladder. They want someone to put them in an elevator and bring them to the top. Their communities are broken because they idolize rappers and drug dealers who steal, murder, and leave broken families in their wake to create the next generation of dysfunction.
The answer to black americans problems is within themselves. They need to stop turning their back on their communities and clean them up. Stay with your families and dont leave a child without a father. Give yound blacks a positive role model Etc.
OBAMA had a chance to address these issues but he chooses to solidify black americans thoughts that their problems are from outside influences. And this is exactly why you see race relations at an all time low.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 6:19 am to StrongSafety
Look, the main difference separating not only a large portion of black americans, but also many others in the lower socioeconomic classes is the lessons taught at home. You cant learn at school if a parent doesnt hold a child responsible. You cant expect a 13 year old kid not to fall into a bad crowd without the proper authority figures. You cant expect that a you girl won't get knocked up as a young teen if you dont raise them not to (hell it happens even in good parenting sometimes). We hear constantly that the struggles of the lower socioeconomic class is the "fault" of those in power holding them down. That the middle class white man somehow has a responsibility for this lack of education and crime rate. When a white police officer has a confrontation, we jump at it to say that this is another racist issue where the white man is throwing around his power (and sometimes, it is). But we don't ask what the other side of the story is. It's turned out to be justified on occasio , and the "victim" (who actually may have just been a criminal) is now a martyr. We start a black lives matter campaign (which white people arent walking around thinking they dont matter), but its racist to say "all lives matter" 
. I'm all for equality. I'm all for not even noticing the difference. I understand there will always be cultural differences just like there's cultural differences between myself and an asian. But currently, the "culture" of a large portion of the black community is something I'm not willing to accept as normal. I'm not changing what I believe is acceptable behavior so that another group can feel equal (and this isnt just blacks, but a lot of people of different races in the lower class. Although a lot of blacks reside here). We have to fix the problem. We need to shine a light on that problem. But ultimately it will not fix until those people fix it themselves. We can help, but they have to do it. The current policies provide the help, but with mo accountability to ensure that people take personal responsibility to get out of that hole. It just feeds them and keeps them alive. All the jobs in the world wont help them if they arent qualified. They need a grassroots campain to grow the community from within.
As a white man, its frustrating to feel that you are constantly held responsible for problems when so many have nothing to do with you. I'm not denying their are issues that we have to work on as well. There is still racism and we have a ways to go. But its not just us and its tiring being the punching bag for it. Now the "leader of the free world" likes to throw a jab at that punching bag every now and again.
. I'm all for equality. I'm all for not even noticing the difference. I understand there will always be cultural differences just like there's cultural differences between myself and an asian. But currently, the "culture" of a large portion of the black community is something I'm not willing to accept as normal. I'm not changing what I believe is acceptable behavior so that another group can feel equal (and this isnt just blacks, but a lot of people of different races in the lower class. Although a lot of blacks reside here). We have to fix the problem. We need to shine a light on that problem. But ultimately it will not fix until those people fix it themselves. We can help, but they have to do it. The current policies provide the help, but with mo accountability to ensure that people take personal responsibility to get out of that hole. It just feeds them and keeps them alive. All the jobs in the world wont help them if they arent qualified. They need a grassroots campain to grow the community from within. As a white man, its frustrating to feel that you are constantly held responsible for problems when so many have nothing to do with you. I'm not denying their are issues that we have to work on as well. There is still racism and we have a ways to go. But its not just us and its tiring being the punching bag for it. Now the "leader of the free world" likes to throw a jab at that punching bag every now and again.
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