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I am confused: What the "other" side of these race issue?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:46 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:46 am
Figured id write this now, but it has been something I have found rather perplexing. We're struggling as a nation right now with the recent publicized racial violence and I constantly hear this notion of the "other" side ie non-minorities grievances, gripes and complaints about our current state of affairs
Why is President Obama a divisive figure to you? And if he is, why and how should he address minorities to get things right. Yes, he is a biracial man, but he chooses to identify as an African American man, which we should respect. What do you feel like he is truly overlooking?
Why does it alienate you when President Obama speaks as a black man, as there are over 20 million black americans on this planet, and as the leader of the free world, he is the leader of another 1 Billion black people as well. Does it not render to you that perhaps, your some of your other fellow ethnic neighbors may or may not have felt alienated by the previous 43 presidents?
What exactly are these grievances, gripes and complaints? What are the bases for them and why do you believe them, if they are actual, to be warranted and of merit.
Why do you believe these actual grievances are worth a discussion in the larger scope of race relations and why do you think that these measures will serve us better as a nation?
How are you misconceived and are these misconceptions really the issues that drive home the similar mountainsize disparities gap that exists between the majority and minorities?
Why do you believe that the onus is on the historically oppressed and subsequently socioeconomically disadvantage to right this wrong, and to absolve all prior wrongdoings?
Lastly, why does there seem to be a perceived rush to prop, laud, and rhetorically coerce minority groups into the acts of forgiveness for seemingly endless acts of terrorism against there communities. Why must their sorrow and personal triumph over continued loss and pain be more note worry than true repentance, acknowledge, and atonement for repeated disingenious act done in the name of racial hatred and supremacy.
Why must the others seemingly get over a history that its opponents will not let go over (CSU flag)? Do you believe that is an easy solution to please you so that you do not have to deal with the gripes of the offended? Is your own self peace more valued to you than the gradual peace of a pained group? What does disregarding the darkest times in our nations history rob from you.
Does it rob you of your dignity? your sense of superiority? your sense of ownership? rights? comfort?ease?
Why does it seem that many of the proponents of the flag, at the end of the day, just dont care about the raw and real historical and familial legacy many of our citizens have behind the horrors of that flag? What does one gain from flying that flag other than a feeling of racial superiority?
These are just some of my questions.
Why is President Obama a divisive figure to you? And if he is, why and how should he address minorities to get things right. Yes, he is a biracial man, but he chooses to identify as an African American man, which we should respect. What do you feel like he is truly overlooking?
Why does it alienate you when President Obama speaks as a black man, as there are over 20 million black americans on this planet, and as the leader of the free world, he is the leader of another 1 Billion black people as well. Does it not render to you that perhaps, your some of your other fellow ethnic neighbors may or may not have felt alienated by the previous 43 presidents?
What exactly are these grievances, gripes and complaints? What are the bases for them and why do you believe them, if they are actual, to be warranted and of merit.
Why do you believe these actual grievances are worth a discussion in the larger scope of race relations and why do you think that these measures will serve us better as a nation?
How are you misconceived and are these misconceptions really the issues that drive home the similar mountainsize disparities gap that exists between the majority and minorities?
Why do you believe that the onus is on the historically oppressed and subsequently socioeconomically disadvantage to right this wrong, and to absolve all prior wrongdoings?
Lastly, why does there seem to be a perceived rush to prop, laud, and rhetorically coerce minority groups into the acts of forgiveness for seemingly endless acts of terrorism against there communities. Why must their sorrow and personal triumph over continued loss and pain be more note worry than true repentance, acknowledge, and atonement for repeated disingenious act done in the name of racial hatred and supremacy.
Why must the others seemingly get over a history that its opponents will not let go over (CSU flag)? Do you believe that is an easy solution to please you so that you do not have to deal with the gripes of the offended? Is your own self peace more valued to you than the gradual peace of a pained group? What does disregarding the darkest times in our nations history rob from you.
Does it rob you of your dignity? your sense of superiority? your sense of ownership? rights? comfort?ease?
Why does it seem that many of the proponents of the flag, at the end of the day, just dont care about the raw and real historical and familial legacy many of our citizens have behind the horrors of that flag? What does one gain from flying that flag other than a feeling of racial superiority?
These are just some of my questions.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 1:52 am
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Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:52 am to StrongSafety
My issue is this. If it's about pride and southern heritage, why not use the actual southern CSA flag and not the one that Nathan Forrest co opted for the KKK, and was later used as an anti civil rights.
That flag DID NOT fly over the southern capitol. It was on ships and battlefields only.
That said. I'm pissed at anyone who tries to revise any monuments.
That flag DID NOT fly over the southern capitol. It was on ships and battlefields only.
That said. I'm pissed at anyone who tries to revise any monuments.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 12:53 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:54 am to StrongSafety
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as there are over 20 million black americans on this plane
Double that
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:58 am to StrongSafety
Obama had the greatest chance in our history to unite us as a nation, but he decided to play victim, race card, push the commie agenda, and play politics.
How do you not understand that?
How do you not understand that?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:02 am to StrongSafety
Obama acted stupidly
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:03 am to StrongSafety
Chocolate milk is racist mmmkay
Actually, it would help race and political relations 1,000,000% if he didn't bring it up in every single conversation....about every single topic....multiple times each day.
His logic is this:
Well, a black guy shot another black guy while robbing him of his crack rocks in a stoken car. Those fat cat white republicans are at fault for holding the black man down. They don't know what we go through. We need to redistribute the wealth because they don't deserve it all.
Actually, it would help race and political relations 1,000,000% if he didn't bring it up in every single conversation....about every single topic....multiple times each day.
His logic is this:
Well, a black guy shot another black guy while robbing him of his crack rocks in a stoken car. Those fat cat white republicans are at fault for holding the black man down. They don't know what we go through. We need to redistribute the wealth because they don't deserve it all.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:04 am to StrongSafety
YOU'RE WHITE!!!!!
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:04 am to Dead End
quote:
Obama had the greatest chance in our history to unite us as a nation, but he decided to play victim, race card, push the commie agenda, and play politics.
When you say play victim, and race card. My question is this-- why did obama need to appease the majorities grievances on race issues to unite the nation? what are these grievances, and why is that the only way to come to a more harmonious place? What does it take from you? What does it rob you of? your peace? your security? you god given right to ownership of this land? your religion?
What do you feel like you are missing today because obama, in your opinion, empathized too much with a socioeconomically disadvantaged and disenfranchised populace?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:08 am to Hammertime
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Actually, it would help race and political relations 1,000,000% if he didn't bring it up in every single conversation....about every single topic....multiple times each day.
My question for you: we teach our young children, and especially our boys, to confront their fears and their problems to resolve them. And that running from them only makes the problem worse. Acting as if the problem will disappear on its own will not actually solve the problem.
Why isnt that logic applied here, your opinion? Do you think that the majority feels like they will have give up something that they fill that if they relinquish it, they will lose their stronghold on what has seemingly worked overwhelmingly in their favor for the past 400 years?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:09 am to StrongSafety
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Why do you believe that the onus is on the historically oppressed and subsequently socioeconomically disadvantage to right this wrong, and to absolve all prior wrongdoings?
Absolve who? For what?
Yes. The onus is on you. Happiness is not a God given inalienable right.
Pursue your own life, your own property, and quit demanding that my family support yours because of something I had nothing to do with.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:10 am to StrongSafety
President Obama is a divisive figure to me because he's is an absolute moron. His race doesn't mean a thing to me, but his lack of ANY type of meaningful experience (executive, political, foreign policy, military, etc) and his continued dumbassery sure as hell does.
The man doesn't have a clue, never did, and yet was elected because of the color of his skin- because it made people "feel" good. That's the only racial aspect that means jack shite to me. Elect a black man as president...fine with me...but at least elect one who has one damn clue how to run a 7-11, much less a country.
The man doesn't have a clue, never did, and yet was elected because of the color of his skin- because it made people "feel" good. That's the only racial aspect that means jack shite to me. Elect a black man as president...fine with me...but at least elect one who has one damn clue how to run a 7-11, much less a country.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:10 am to StrongSafety
I only think about this shot, when I read it here. I feel with all kinds of pale every day and I only hate trash. I guess that's why I don't get the Poliboard. I'm white, left leaning and have a good job that is recession proof. I only worry abut what's for dinner and where my next vacation is and sometimes my blood pressure.
This shite is just entertainment to me. 99% of all this crap doesn't bother me at all and I guess I have a hard time seeing why it bothers anyone.
I remember Dave Chappelle saying over a decade ago "if whites are losing, then who is winning? "
Most of this shite is just the media playing us for ratings and that's it.
This shite is just entertainment to me. 99% of all this crap doesn't bother me at all and I guess I have a hard time seeing why it bothers anyone.
I remember Dave Chappelle saying over a decade ago "if whites are losing, then who is winning? "
Most of this shite is just the media playing us for ratings and that's it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:14 am to BRgetthenet
The american people for not living up to their potential of, as notified by the constitution and the bill of rights.
Yes, of course, the onus is on the individual. But how do you explain a populace generally has 400 years of similar shared experiences? Why do you believe that individualism and its subsequent qualities will be the ultimate rectifier of ongoing problems, when these problems dont seemingly only affect individuals...they affect groups
Yes, of course, the onus is on the individual. But how do you explain a populace generally has 400 years of similar shared experiences? Why do you believe that individualism and its subsequent qualities will be the ultimate rectifier of ongoing problems, when these problems dont seemingly only affect individuals...they affect groups
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:16 am to StrongSafety
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When you say play victim, and race card. My question is this-- why did obama need to appease the majorities grievances on race issues to unite the nation? what are these grievances, and why is that the only way to come to a more harmonious place? What does it take from you? What does it rob you of? your peace? your security? you god given right to ownership of this land? your religion?
This is much more simple than you think. The President did not need to appease any group. He needs to appease us all as Americans. The ONLY reason he is involved in this at all is there is political hay to be made over this issue. My problem with OUR president is he stands for nothing except gaining votes. The man had the world in the palm of his hand and squandered every oppurtunity to play petty political games.
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What do you feel like you are missing today because obama, in your opinion, empathized too much with a socioeconomically disadvantaged and disenfranchised populace?
I feel like I am missing a president elected to represent ALL Americans. I also feel he has turned into exactly what the race haters predicted. Sad really
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:18 am to StrongSafety
Why is the president of the United states a leader of a billion black people? He's the leader of the United states and his racial identity should be a small piece of his agenda.. As a white man, I don't have a problem with his chosen racial identity but do find it odd when he changes his speech to fit in..
As for the flag.. It's been associated with many things throughout the years but most importantly, rebellion and independence amongst most southerners.. I could personally care less whether it falls the way of 8 tracks and disco but to immediately identify it with racism is wrong.. I do have a problem with the calls for the scrubbing of memorials and monuments of the confederacy ..they are a reminder of our past that can't be forgotten both the good and the bad..
As for the flag.. It's been associated with many things throughout the years but most importantly, rebellion and independence amongst most southerners.. I could personally care less whether it falls the way of 8 tracks and disco but to immediately identify it with racism is wrong.. I do have a problem with the calls for the scrubbing of memorials and monuments of the confederacy ..they are a reminder of our past that can't be forgotten both the good and the bad..
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:19 am to StrongSafety
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What does it take from you? What does it rob you of? your peace? your security? you god given right to ownership of this land? your religion?
First, don't project your insecurities on me.
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What do you feel like you are missing today because obama, in your opinion, empathized too much with a socioeconomically disadvantaged and disenfranchised populace?
I'm not missing a thing. Your idol missed it. He had a decent chance to bring different groups together, but he decided to take the commie route and dived and conquer.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:20 am to StrongSafety
Group think is more prevalent among the black community.
If somebody like Carson runs, wins, and become the next black POTUS, what would his answer to that question would be?
A conglomerate of individuals.
If somebody like Carson runs, wins, and become the next black POTUS, what would his answer to that question would be?
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they affect groups
A conglomerate of individuals.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:20 am to StrongSafety
No, it is easier to play the victim than to confront your problems. By doing that, you magically put the burden on the other guy, and don't have to do a damn thing yourself. The majority of the time they just fold anyways.
Watch this:
It's not my fault I robbed that bank and shot the teller. Nobody would give me a high paying job because I am a two-time convicted felon. It's their fault I had to do it because I had no money (other than the free $50k/yr from the government).
Then, show a picture of one of the guy's 8 kids crying, and now everyone wants to give guys like him more money for doing nothing and reform the system to force people to hire felons. Viola, victim card wins again
Watch this:
It's not my fault I robbed that bank and shot the teller. Nobody would give me a high paying job because I am a two-time convicted felon. It's their fault I had to do it because I had no money (other than the free $50k/yr from the government).
Then, show a picture of one of the guy's 8 kids crying, and now everyone wants to give guys like him more money for doing nothing and reform the system to force people to hire felons. Viola, victim card wins again
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:22 am to cave canem
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This is much more simple than you think. The President did not need to appease any group. He needs to appease us all as Americans. The ONLY reason he is involved in this at all is there is political hay to be made over this issue. My problem with OUR president is he stands for nothing except gaining votes. The man had the world in the palm of his hand and squandered every oppurtunity to play petty political games.
You illustrated it much better than i can after drinking since eight.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:23 am to cave canem
But what happens if all Americans don't have the same shared experiences and history because of history? Isn't his job as a leader entail uplifting those that feel left out? Why does it seem to anger the majority when he empathizes with the group he fails from?
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