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re: How Would You Rate Your Classical Education?

Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:17 am to
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:17 am to
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It’s not a solution to a solid foundational education of social studies, philosophy, mathematics, arts, biology, literature, linguistics, and religion (optional; you can replace this with ethics


For some, sure. For others who are driven and have A drive...not so much.


I have continued my education far beyond any formal sense by my own volition
Posted by Porkchop Express
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:18 am to
Good for you. I am happy and respect you had the self-disincline to do that in an uneducated community.

You are this board’s wanna be badass. Cool.

With that out of the way, most kids need a path to grow and learn. It’s not just all being a TD badass.

Your personal made-for-Lifetime-rejected screenplay is not reality.

But I am happy you are that well rounded.
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:23 am to
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Locke, Aurelius, Rousseau, Voltaire, Humme, Franklin, Paine, Jefferson, Adams, etc.


Hume is the best out of all of them (if you're talking pure philosophy). Locke is very boring. Voltaire was more of a satirist and cultural critic. Hume was a pure skeptic who put a wrecking ball to Kant's Critiques (reading Kant is necessary to understand Hume).

Then again I am a sucker for epistemology. I love that kind of stuff. Not really into political philosophy which was more Locke's specialty (and thus the founders of America who were all Lockeans).
Posted by Porkchop Express
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:30 am to
Someone contributes!

Got some disagreements, but you are not the smart arse I started as.

And this thread has a huge chance in turning into homeschooling vs. non-religion schooling turn.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:32 am to
As I said, when I first read these I was way beyond my depth or experience. I read them because they were there and I loved to read. Reading them later in life, I understood more, but I find that true whenever I revisit things I read long ago.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:35 am to
What’s your problem pork chop?. I’m saying that, throughout history, people who wanted to have educated themselves. It isn’t some astronomical feat.

Yes, some people need that rigid, structured environment to make them learn. But we literally have the wealth of all collected human knowledge at our fingertips. For free most of the time. There is no reason someone can’t broaden or further their education outside of formal settings.

Doing so doesn’t make one a badass. Learning is something we should all strive for.
Posted by Porkchop Express
Penderbrook
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 1:44 am to
Understood, and I agree.

But how are most going to learn it? Because the intuitively know about Machiavelli or Sun Tsu?

From this thread?

No baw, that is taught.
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:01 am to
Decent but all from college. I took a couple philosophy classes. Still have the books (e.g. Plato's Republic, Leviathan, The Prince)
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 2:03 am
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:04 am to
I have gone down wiki holes that have taught me more than some College courses.

The material is instantaneous, in ways my younger mind never could have imagined. I am a student of Dewey decimal. I remember researching stuff in that. Encarta was next level stuff.


Posted by Porkchop Express
Penderbrook
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:10 am to
Not everyone is as “brilliant” as you.

Most people need a formal education.

Do not fault them for that.

Most do not want to be charlatans.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:20 am to
For me?

I read one and there was a reference to something else, so I read that or I went looking for a particular book and there was another than caught my eye next to it on the shelf. Of course, there were helpful librarians and teachers along the way who suggested things I might like based on what I had already read.

Not everything needs to be structured. It can be free flowing. I equate how I chose what to read to following embedded links on Wikipedia or Youtube. You chase the rabbit down the hole until you're sated.

Now don't get me wrong. I wasn't some 8, 12, 14 year old kid reading nothing but the dusty classics. I read Hardy Boys and Tom Swift, YA Fiction, popular fiction, etc.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:23 am to
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You chase the rabbit down the hole until you're sated.


think the word is satiated, Aristotle
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 2:24 am
Posted by Porkchop Express
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:32 am to
Cool.

I am adding these to your reading list:

The Magus by John Fowles

Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov

Jigabug Perfume by Tom Robbins

Lamb by Michael Moore

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig

I would love reciprocated recommendations.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 3:22 am to
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think the word is satiated, Aristotle


Nope.

Sated

It's a matter of degree with satiated being the lesser. Sated is completely, thoroughly full.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 3:23 am
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 3:37 am to
I've read Lamb and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Enjoyed both.

To be honest, due to my condition, I haven't read a book in over a year. It's been difficult to focus and absorb. Bipolar disorder is funny that way. For a week or two you can learn anything, don't sleep, plot to take over the world and work towards a goal with an obsession approaching madness and then, nothing for months except a feeling of lack and being lesser.

shite's debilitating. I didn't fully develop it until my mid to late 20s, and I can still remember how I used to be. Makes me hate it even more.

As far as suggestions go, I'm sure you've read it but Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. I defy any man to read that and not come away better for having read it, and it can be had for a $1.50 in print on Amazon.

Two more that I love because of their sense of place and the beauty of language are Hemingway's "A Moveable Feast" and Orwell's "Down and Out in Paris and London".
Posted by auggie
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 3:42 am to
Late jumping into this thread. I read a lot, all of my life, until I reached my 40s and really started getting busy. It was a good way to pass time, back when I had too much of it.
Never focused on any particular direction in my reading, just whatever looked interesting when browsing at the library. Not much philosophical stuff.
Early on, I read a lot of Dicken's stuff, and Mark Twain, Westerns (not just Louis Lamour, I always liked his stuff, but figured out pretty fast that it was a formula and searched out better books), Crime novels, Spy Novels( John Le Carre and Jack Higgins), Tom Clancy..
Then one day, I picked up Michener's, Tales Of The South Pacific, and just had to read all of his books. That started me into reading a lot more American History, and that got kind of centered around The War Of 1812, and the more famous individuals from that, and that led to Texas History... Then Larry McMurtry... Then The Dan Brown stuff...then The Hunger Games Books, those were the last, That's when I got too busy, to read much anymore. I left out Tolkien, Kipling, London, Steinbeck, Faulkner, Hemmingway and some others that I devoured.

I don't know if any of that, gave me much education, but it sure was entertaining.

This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 3:47 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:25 am to
Obligatory

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Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:31 am to
Ol Mississippi Billy is probably my favorite but I’m having a time getting through Da Sound An Da Furry. I read AILD as a spoof of southern culture. Read a bunch of Ol baw that married a bunch and lived in the FL Keys. I like his style.

Finished 1984 last year. Been meaning to do “Animal Farm”. I’m also getting through “Brave New World” at the moment. Kinda meh.

Tried Tolstoy. I will read “War & Peace” one day albeit it’ll need to be a day (month) when I’m stuck on an island somewhere because that thing is thicc.



This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 5:34 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:36 am to
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Homeschoolers today tend to follow a classical education. And most are awkward as hell in todays norms


That’s not because of technology. Homeschoolers have always been awkward as hell since the advent of large scale schools

Understanding the how and why to think philosophically is a huge benefits to kid’s. I’m not saying they need to read ALL of the classics, but reading some of them, and I mean ready reading them, is a huge benefit.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 5:39 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/2/20 at 5:45 am to
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I read AILD as a spoof of southern culture.


When I first started reading it, I thought it was serious stuff. I can't remember which part it was. Either " My Mother is a fish" or when they had to run the buzzards away from the coffin, that I realized what it really was, went back and started again, and laughed like hell.
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