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re: How would you handle the arrest of this woman?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:28 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:28 pm to BuckyCheese
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Just a bullshite, catchall charge to throw on someone when they have nothing else but refuse to just let it go.
in this case the cop was already committed, perp didn't help her cause, not saying I'm siding with the cop, just saying he couldn't walk away without a collar and a charge, even if he wasn't such a penis with ears it would have become a liability issue to let her "walk"
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:30 pm to davyjones
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clearly meaning as a consequence if she persists in uncooperation.
Exactly. Zero evidence of her being guilty of the crime he threatens to arrest her over.
He doesn't say he's arresting her for not giving her name or obstructing an investigation. (Another bullshite charge design to cow the populace)
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:30 pm to BuckyCheese
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Just a bullshite, catchall charge to throw on someone when they have nothing else but refuse to just let it go.
Regardless, you can still go to jail, under the discretion of the LEO.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:35 pm to NoSaint
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I think the cop likely assumed she was guilty of attempting to break in and was pretty short with the situation instead of showing up to figure out what was going on and trying to seek a non confrontational outcome.
Probably because he had just talked to witnesses downstairs that told him she was trying to break into the truck
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:40 pm to yellowfin
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Probably because he had just talked to witnesses downstairs that told him she was trying to break into the truck
I’d assume so.
And he easily could’ve walked her down the road of “some neighbors said you were beating on the window” and “I don’t see your name on the registration” and such while having a second officer come along for the arrest if he had already decided it was happening.
Him wrestling her drunk self 1-1 is probably the worst approach for both her AND himself, no?
In the spirit of going home himself isn’t wrestling a drunk girl by the staircase literally among the only things that would’ve actually put him at risk?
She was likely finding her way to the back of the car that night. How he did it wasn’t a particularly impressive showing of skill at his job.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:43 pm to BuckyCheese
Officer: Ma'am, I was called out because someone witnessed you crossing the street mid-block without the use of a crosswalk.
Citizen: What are you talking about?
Officer: I'm arresting you now.
Citizen: I'm leaving (begins to walk away)
Officer: You're under arrest (knocks front teeth out with baton and handcuffs victim)
Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
Citizen: What are you talking about?
Officer: I'm arresting you now.
Citizen: I'm leaving (begins to walk away)
Officer: You're under arrest (knocks front teeth out with baton and handcuffs victim)
Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:46 pm to RougeDawg
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Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
sounds good on paper, let's not forget that with the cop, you're dealing with the lowest common denominator in the legal process, now girl in OP was trashed and didn't help herself, but the way to handle it is accept the citation and go up the food chain a bit to argue your position
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
So what was excessive?
He put her down after she tried to evade and run down stairs.
He put her down after she tried to evade and run down stairs.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:47 pm to yellowfin
The permission aspect....that cop cannot present a viable case to the prosecutor's office for further court action unless he's expressly determined that suspect did not have permission pf the victim. If you observe any criminal trial of any charge whatsoever that involves a victim (ETA...live, that is lol) you will see the prosecutor at some point during direct examination of the victim pose a question "And had you given the defendant permission of any sort to xyz?" Even things such as battery. Permission or authority is an absolute defense except in cases where the victim isnt legally capable of giving permission, such as statutory rape, a mentally ill victim, etc.
The cop had absolutely not made that determination.
The cop had absolutely not made that determination.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:49 pm to RougeDawg
quote:is the
Officer: Ma'am, I was called out because someone witnessed you crossing the street mid-block without the use of a crosswalk.
Citizen: What are you talking about?
Officer: I'm arresting you now.
Citizen: I'm leaving (begins to walk away)
Officer: You're under arrest (knocks front teeth out with baton and handcuffs victim)
Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
quote:white?
citizen
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:51 pm to RougeDawg
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Officer: Ma'am, I was called out because someone witnessed you crossing the street mid-block without the use of a crosswalk. Citizen: What are you talking about? Officer: I'm arresting you now. Citizen: I'm leaving (begins to walk away) Officer: You're under arrest (knocks front teeth out with baton and handcuffs victim) Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
Not sure why that seems directed at me, but in that situation I'd be fine with the citizen beating the ever living shite out of the cop.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:54 pm to davyjones
None of that matters when she’s being uncooperative.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 1:54 pm to ZappBrannigan
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So what was excessive?
He put her down after she tried to evade and run down stairs.
Do you think he used the least amount of force possible based on the variety of ways that could’ve been handled? Did he exhaust alternatives and have a pressing safety issue?
Keep in mind we watched the video and saw her take two slow steps while face in the phone texting the guy while he said “I’m about to grab onto you and handcuff you” so it’s not like she was trying to run down the stairs
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:03 pm to yellowfin
Uncooperative by pulling away right before faceplant, yes. That's right.
But the stuff in my prior post will matter in the civil suit in an effort to show the cop was negligent in the initial act of placing her in custody for the burglary which ultimately led to her injuries.
But the stuff in my prior post will matter in the civil suit in an effort to show the cop was negligent in the initial act of placing her in custody for the burglary which ultimately led to her injuries.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:04 pm to RougeDawg
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Would y'all be fine with this scenario too?
Yes. She's under arrest and tried to leave. How about not breaking the law and not trying to flee from a cop that is arresting you and you don't get a baton to the teeth.
I'm sick of people not cooperating with police then are outraged when police use force to get them to comply.
Luckily she's white or she'd probably have been shot.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:06 pm to Breauxsif
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False, she was drunk in public
Judge: What did she do officer?
Officer:She was sitting upstairs in a corner, quiet as a church mouse, minding her own business, but she later blew a .19 after I mugged the shite out of her.
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and she was interfering with a car burglary investigation.
Judge: How did she interfere with a car burglary investigation?
Officer: She sat there quietly and refused to tell on herself, no matter how many times I tried to force her verbally.
Judge: Did you catch whoever broke into the car?
Officer: That's the funny thing judge. There was no break-in.
Judge: No break-in?
Officer: Correct. A citizen that I didn't beat the shite out of called in about a car alarm going off. Everybody knows that when an alarm goes off on a car, it is a 100%, bonafide, true break-in. I found her there, aggressive as hell, disguised as minding her own business quietly. Every fiber of her 5'2, 110 pound frame screamed to have her face crushed into the ground. This put me, her, and the general public in danger from her, so I simply complied with her request to crush her face, and gave her some mild brain damage for free.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:09 pm to Hangit
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quote:False, she was drunk in public Judge: What did she do officer? Officer:She was sitting upstairs in a corner, quiet as a church mouse, minding her own business, but she later blew a .19 after I mugged the shite out of her. quote:and she was interfering with a car burglary investigation. Judge: How did she interfere with a car burglary investigation? Officer: She sat there quietly and refused to tell on herself, no matter how many times I tried to force her verbally. Judge: Did you catch whoever broke into the car? Officer: That's the funny thing judge. There was no break-in. Judge: No break-in? Officer: Correct. A citizen that I didn't beat the shite out of called in about a car alarm going off. Everybody knows that when an alarm goes off on a car, it is a 100%, bonafide, true break-in. I found her there, aggressive as hell, disguised as minding her own business quietly. Every fiber of her 5'2, 110 pound frame screamed to have her face crushed into the ground. This put me, her, and the general public in danger from her, so I simply complied with her request to crush her face, and gave her some mild brain damage for free.
very good synopsis, assuming that a DA would be a big enough dumbass to let it get to a judge, the transcript would read something very similar to thisPosted on 8/25/19 at 2:10 pm to davyjones
Bump the thread when the civil suit it settled so we know how it worked out
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:14 pm to yellowfin
It was just filed. Not even served yet.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:15 pm to Hangit
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Officer:She was sitting upstairs in a corner, quiet as a church mouse, minding her own business, but she later blew a .19 after I mugged the shite out of her.
Except that's not what she was doing. She was setting off car alarms and concerning her neighbors. You don't have to make up lies to make your point. If you do, your argument is weak and flawed.
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