re: How would you handle the arrest of this woman?

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Would have been pretty good info for her to give to the officer don’t you think? Probably would have improved the situation.

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I’ve been told that you are NOT obligated to identify yourself to LEO. Have not researched it.

ETA: Looks like Arizona has a requirement that you identify. Might be some Fifth Amendment issues if your name is incriminating. But here, she was likely obligated to give her name.

No idea

I’m saying if she owned the truck with her ex it would have been pretty easy to clear up. Just a matter of looking at the registration

In all sincerity, once the officer explained why he was called, talked with her, then ask her name and for ID, she became non-compliant and argumentative, then she she is fricked from a legal standpoint? I watched a video earlier today of a traffic stop for a seat belt violation, same thing, refuse to give name, provide license and insurance. Perp refused, cop spent about 10 minutes trying to reason with the guy, then the yahoo went into 5th amendment defense, dude sat in locked car, window rolled up, eventually, they busted window out and arrested him for “impeding an investigation”. Pretty much the same, you refuse to give name an ID, you can be detained in cuffs. Refusal could lead to resisting and impending, no matter the original reason for officer being called to scene??

Cop: What’s your name.
Suspect: [Silence].

Can the cop detain?

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Pretty much the same, you refuse to give name an ID, you can be detained in cuffs. Refusal could lead to resisting and impending, no matter the original reason for officer being called to scene??

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I wouldn’t be opposed to her reaching the point of being arrested.

I think the cop likely assumed she was guilty of attempting to break in and was pretty short with the situation instead of showing up to figure out what was going on and trying to seek a non confrontational outcome.

If he slow played it with better questions, called an extra set of hands up there etc... he probably could’ve built some bridges with her instead of simply repeating the same, relatively aggressive, question a half dozen times and going straight for the cuffs.

She’s drunk. She’s sloppy. Try the question a few different ways and you probably stand a better chance of her giving you some info.

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wouldn’t recommend it. But you could be within your rights to refuse to identify in some circumstances.

That doesn’t make it smart.

She should have identified herself, explained that she was waiting for someone, and remained still.

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Agreed. I think I just come at it with expecting the cop to mostly nail it as a job he’s trained to do and the citizen likely to be coloring a bit outside the lines in a rare and intimidating moment (especially if drunk, high or mentally unwell).

A lot of times we hold the citizen to a very high standard and let mistakes of the officer slide quickly which always feels backwards. That’s not to say you have to crush a guy immediately on every minor slip, but I’d have liked to see a bit more humanity towards someone that clearly wasn’t in a good spot and was unlikely to follow the script in an ideal way.

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she was drunk in public

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that's probably what it will come down to

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a car burglary investigation.

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probably going to be dropped after ada sees report

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interfering with a car burglary investigation.

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That’s horseshite. You can’t be arrested for refusing to speak. You may have to give your identity. You don’t have to say a word after that.

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she was drunk in public

that's probably what it will come down to

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Just a bullshite, catchall charge to throw on someone when they have nothing else but refuse to just let it go.

Otherwise they would arrest everyone standing outside the saloon smoking.

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Indeed she's not giving him her name, indeed she's being uncooperative, indeed cop is growing impatient. However, go to 3:30 and listen for just a short while....take note of what he threatens to arrest her for, clearly meaning as a consequence if she persists in uncooperation.

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Which at that crossroads he could easily hop on the radio for an extra hand and ask her some questions about her kid or whatever to de-escalate for a moment and see if he can come back at it with a new angle once someone else is there.

He was annoyed and wanted to end it as fast as possible. Which happened to suck for her face.