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re: How to go about using a job offer to get a raise in a professional way? Update
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:21 pm to NATidefan
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:21 pm to NATidefan
I had this happen last year. I had an offer for substantially more money but the benefits were not there. I went to my boss and told him about it and said that I wasn’t looking to leave the company but the money was hard to ignore. He matched it and I keep my same benefits. Worked out well for me.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:23 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why are you such an arse about it? Do most of them leave? Probably can't blame them if they do.
Who said I was an arse about it, the actual conversation is much different than a summation post on a message board. For the record, I've never lost someone as a result of this type conversation.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:58 pm to Chromdome35
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Who said I was an arse about it, the actual conversation is much different than a summation post on a message board. For the record, I've never lost someone as a result of this type conversation.
So you've had people come to you numerous times like this in the past, never gave them a raise, and none of them left?
That's kind of hard to believe.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:01 pm to NATidefan
Fwiw, I wasn't really asking if I should do it... which seems to be what alot are focused on... but how to go about it.
People do this with my company all the time. They all end up with raises. My boss isn't going to care other than if I leave cause it will make his life harder. My pay doesn't directly affect him.
He won't even be the one making the decision on if I get the raise.
People do this with my company all the time. They all end up with raises. My boss isn't going to care other than if I leave cause it will make his life harder. My pay doesn't directly affect him.
He won't even be the one making the decision on if I get the raise.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:13 pm to NATidefan
Tricky situation for OP. I’ve seen a few people frog marched out the door when they tried to pull that stunt off.
Some bosses are just done with an employee when they find out they’ve entertained offers.
Some bosses are just done with an employee when they find out they’ve entertained offers.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:14 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Some bosses are just done with an employee when they find out they’ve entertained offers.
what is the employee? an indentured servant?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:19 pm to 777Tiger
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what is the employee? an indentured servant
I hear ya, but there’s not an indentured boss either. Didn’t say it’s right or wrong, it’s just how some bosses react.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:20 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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Tricky situation for OP. I’ve seen a few people frog marched out the door when they tried to pull that stunt off
I guarantee the last thing they will do is fire me.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:20 pm to NATidefan
In the last 10 years, the only direct report I've lost was to an upward movement to a VP position within our company. I fully supported her in that move.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:20 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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I’ve seen a few people frog marched out the door when they tried to pull that stunt off.
Some bosses are just done with an employee when they find out they’ve entertained offers.
What stunt? This is such an odd mentality. Those people "frog marched" are obviously much better off. I can't imagine working for such a miserable place.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:24 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Those people "frog marched" are obviously much better off. I can't imagine working for such a miserable place.
yep, I disagree with that mindset, nothing wrong with the employee being open to opportunities that would advance their career, improve their QL, employers should make their workplace a place where the employee wants to be there instead of having punitive action taken towards them if they broach the subject of a raise or potentially going somewhere else
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:27 pm to NATidefan
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What is the correct approach to try to stay at my current employer, but get a raise.
Just inform them that I have recieved a offer I'm considering? (I would think this)
If you were approached by the other company then you simply let your boss know another company has approached with an offer of employment that is a little better than what you are getting now. Tell him you are considering it because of the money but you really like working there and does he think they may be able to match it. If you are sending out resumes, then just drop state another company has offered you a better compensation package to go to work for them.
The caveat is being prepared to take the other job unless you absolutely know your boss will not hold this against you.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:44 pm to NATidefan
First off, be prepared to walk if they don't offer a bump in salary because you will be viewed as a flight risk even if you state that you were approached with the opportunity. Stick around without a raise and they probably also consider the fact that you might have been trying to pull a fast one on them even though that isn't the case.
I was in this same scenario once although the new offer came from the leader in the field with an offer of more than 50% increase of my then current salary. Only problem was that the new opportunity required a 5 hour move to a large metro area without family close by. I laid my cards on the table and told my then employer that I'd be willing to stay for a 25% increase which would have put me well above my direct report's salary. They said no and I was out the door two week's later. They called me constantly trying to get me back and also to assist with a few projects but I politely declined. After five years, salary and work life balance have never been better.
I was in this same scenario once although the new offer came from the leader in the field with an offer of more than 50% increase of my then current salary. Only problem was that the new opportunity required a 5 hour move to a large metro area without family close by. I laid my cards on the table and told my then employer that I'd be willing to stay for a 25% increase which would have put me well above my direct report's salary. They said no and I was out the door two week's later. They called me constantly trying to get me back and also to assist with a few projects but I politely declined. After five years, salary and work life balance have never been better.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 1:50 pm to NATidefan
Tell your boss, you need to a serious private conversation, then ask him/her is there anything you can do to get a raise. Be prepared for them to ask why and at that point I believe you will be obligated to tell them you have another offer on the table, but you would like to stay where you are. Be prepared for them to tell you "Goodby and good luck." Be prepared for them to say they cannot give you anything more and then it will be your decision whether to leave or stay in a bad work situation.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:56 am to Sus-Scrofa
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Some bosses are just done with an employee when they find out they’ve entertained offers.
Your employee base isn't very good if no other employers are considering them. I'd be worried of nobody ever tried to hire my people.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:04 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
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I would be upset if a valued employee didn't come to me with the offer.
This happened to us yesterday. An employee that I don't want to lose under any circumstances received an unsolicited offer from a competitor. He went over the offer with me and we're to speak again today. At the end of the day it's going to cost me about $9k to retain him. I appreciate his honesty and he's one of those guys you don't want to lose so we will do what it takes to retain him.
Bottom line to the OP is if you truly have value to the company and deal with it straight up you'll get retained. If not, then well...
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:20 am to VABuckeye
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Bottom line to the OP is if you truly have value to the company and deal with it straight up you'll get retained. If not, then well...
This. OP stop being a pussy. This is a simple conversation that you were approached without looking with an offer too good to pass up.
You need to understand and have full confidence that offer actually is something you will take and be happy with. Understand the offer is enough to make you confidently leave, as in not a 5% increase to a shite company in a shite location.
Have an adult conversation with your boss that you want to stay and are happy to take more responsibility with more pay and you want to stay at your current employer long term as long as the pay can be mostly competitive.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:13 pm to NATidefan
Update
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:14 pm to NATidefan
Solid update. Congrats! 
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:42 pm to NATidefan
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Ended with me getting about a 25% raise
I would seriously consider the other offer still. If they offered you a 25% raise they were woefully under paying you to begin with. That would signal to me that they were either a bad employer who didn't know what they were doing, did know and were comfortable under valuing an employee by 25%, and finally may continue to undervalue you in the future. Chances are good that, given your explanation about the size of the company and the layers between your management and the decision makers it would seem that they simply do not know what they are doing when it comes to valuing an employee. Thats fine if your OK with knowing it happened until now and is likely to happen going forward. I wouldn't be happy with that knowledge....id drag up.
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