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How Texas oil workers, technology are helping build a new renewable boom

Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:14 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:14 am
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On any other day, David Rodriguez’s truck would have been helping extract oil, and as he sucked mud from a well beneath a towering drilling rig, any passersby might have assumed he was doing just that.

“Compared to oil and gas, it’s the same thing, man,” Rodriguez shouted over the motor.

But he was working to produce something entirely different. Rather than pulling oil out of the earth, the hole he was helping drill would be used to store clean, transient power from south Texas wind and solar farms.

Rodriguez, who was helping drill the hole for geothermal energy company Sage Geosystems, is one of a growing number of workers across Texas employing some of the same skills and technology used to extract fossil fuels for the production of renewable energy.

Those efforts come at the height of the largest oil and gas boom in American history, which centers on an expansive oil-producing region extending across western Texas and eastern New Mexico known as the Permian Basin and has been driven by the increasing use of novel technologies like fracking and horizontal drilling.

That boom has seen oil and gas output consistently hit record levels in recent years. At the same time, however, due to the pace of drilling and the declining need for workers amid the rise of high-tech forms of extraction, the expansion in production has come with a sharp and protracted decline in both the number of rigs and rig workers.


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Over the past decade, however, hundreds of millions in investor capital have flowed into largely Texas-based firms seeking to develop methods that could be used to generate geothermal power virtually anywhere in the country.


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The political support for drilling appears poised to help bolster the burgeoning geothermal industry, however, as does soaring demand for electricity in Texas driven by population growth, data centers and crypto mines. Geothermal is one of the few renewables that Trump supported in his executive order declaring a national energy emergency, and in March Energy Secretary Chris Wright threw his support behind a geothermal boom.

So did Rep. August Pfluger (R-Texas), whose district includes much of the Permian. Introducing Wright at a geothermal event
, Pfluger portrayed geothermal as the logical continuation of the fracking boom. For the Permian, he said, “it’s going to be the same people, the same firms, the same technology that is going to help scale geothermal.”

Pfluger was referring to the host of new technologies that have made it possible over the past decade for firms to extract oil and gas reliably and efficiently: fiber optics, monitoring driven by artificial intelligence (AI), fracking and horizontal drilling. These technologies have also played a key role in the recent resurgence of geothermal through “enhanced geothermal” startups like Fervo, Sage, Eavor, Bedrock and XGS.


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Geothermal isn’t risk free. A rushed drilling job in India’s Himalayas, for instance, caused a blowout that dumped hot water and clay into local water supplies.

The greater concern hanging over the geothermal industry, however, is that the data centers it hopes will be at the center of a growing market for its energy will instead stick to gas.

The risk, Beard said, is that geothermal could lose that AI-driven energy market to fossil fuels unless it proves itself right now.

So far, the industry is choosing gas. Current data centers demand 24/7 power, which geothermal promises but only fossil fuels can currently supply. Gas demand has flatlined in recent years, but that dynamic is projected to drive it up by another 6 billion cubic feet per day by decade’s end, per S&P Global.


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But supply chain bottlenecks mean that new gas plants must often wait years for parts — which XGS’s Izadi argued gives geothermal “a good opportunity to win the race. We need to win it.”

To do that, she said, geothermal would have to develop at a far greater pace. The industry had moved past the need for more research and test wells, she said. “Geothermal is not moving with one or two wells or three wells per year” — each company, ultimately, needs to reach a point where it is drilling hundreds or thousands of wells per year.

To move forward, she said, “We just need to drill.



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Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:33 am to
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store clean, transient powe

Opinion (clean), closed off with meaningless words (transient). He's not installing a battery, so clearly the power is going somewhere. Transient? WTF?

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novel technologies like fracking and horizontal drilling

Novel? Everyone and their brother has been doing these for more than a decade.

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new technologies that have made it possible over the past decade for firms to extract oil and gas reliably and efficiently: fiber optics, monitoring driven by artificial intelligence (AI)

Fiber optics being new? Jesus Christ.
monitoring "driven" by AI? WTF does that actually mean, you dumb twat of a reporter? Does it mean some engineer set warning limits on volume and pressure to set off an alarm, or is SkyNet controlling valves on this thing with no human intervention?

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AI-driven energy market

I just can't.

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This story was produced in partnership with the Pulitzer Center.

What a goddamned disgrace.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29186 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:40 am to
Yeah...The Hill probably isn't the best source for an in the weeds industry piece, but I do think it's cool that Geothermal, using many of the same skills as oil & gas drilling and production, could be one of the real, economically viable "renewable" energy sources.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:41 am to
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AI-driven energy market
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I just can't.

I’m not seeing the problem here. AI and data centers are a major driver for power projects right now.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29186 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:44 am to
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AI and data centers are a major driver for power projects right now


There's current surface leases for them things to be built in the middle of our West TX and Southeast NM oilfields. Those ranchers don't even needs to ranch anymore. Oil wells, water disposal wells, sand mines, unmanned gas stations, and now data centers....not sure there's a single cow in sight.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:45 am to
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Yeah...The Hill probably isn't the best source for an in the weeds industry piece, but I do think it's cool that Geothermal, using many of the same skills as oil & gas drilling and production, could be one of the real, economically viable "renewable" energy sources.


We are running motor assist RSS systems to drill the newest projects. The cool tech is in the projects like Eavor where they are using active ranging inside the RSS systems for well placement.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:54 am to
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AI-driven energy market

You interpreted it differently than I did. I saw it as a useless adjective to someone make the article relevant to the crypto crowd and people that don't know any better. Do data centers use a lot of power? Sure. Whether it's a GPU (AI) or inefficient cooling methods used by building data centers in places without a lot of water is irrelevant. Banning the sales of ICE cars in California, the EU, as does shutting down coal and nuke plants "drive" markets to a greater degree. AI isn't driving anything. It's one of many, many, factors, and was an unnecessary sop to try to get this garbage quoted by people that don't know any better.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:59 am to
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cool that Geothermal, using many of the same skills as oil & gas drilling and production, could be one of the real, economically viable "renewable" energy sources.


Yeah, the issue is that I was reading about geothermal in Popular Science more than 30 years ago. Iceland uses it to heat roads and generate power, and has been for a while; their use case works. But why are we so far behind? Government regs (protected lands, etc) and a lack of need (natural gas and coal are super abundant.) Cool, for sure, but not a game changer that's going to significantly supplement existing power loads for the foreseeable future.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:16 am to
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not a game changer that's going to significantly supplement existing power loads for the foreseeable future.


So natural gas baws keep rejoicing?
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:35 am to
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You interpreted it differently than I did. I saw it as a useless adjective to someone make the article relevant to the crypto crowd and people that don't know any better. Do data centers use a lot of power? Sure. Whether it's a GPU (AI) or inefficient cooling methods used by building data centers in places without a lot of water is irrelevant. Banning the sales of ICE cars in California, the EU, as does shutting down coal and nuke plants "drive" markets to a greater degree. AI isn't driving anything. It's one of many, many, factors, and was an unnecessary sop to try to get this garbage quoted by people that don't know any better.


I read it the same way lostinbr did, in that the push for more energy is being driven by an increasing use of AI. That said, the article does indeed come across as being written by a high schooler looking to appease their climate alarmist teacher by using as many buzzwords and phrases as possible.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29186 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:47 am to
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the article does indeed come across as being written by a high schooler looking to appease their climate alarmist teacher by using as many buzzwords and phrases as possible.


Agree, which is why I left parts like this out of my post:

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Investing and bipartisan political support for geothermal in Texas has picked up after the state’s deadly 2021 blackouts showed the need for secure power sources not subject to extreme weather or alleged market manipulation by oil and gas companies. In the 2023 Texas legislative session, geothermal proponents’ ability to cast themselves as a bulwark against the risks of extreme weather helped the industry win nearly unanimous support for its policy agenda in a session where renewables were under nearly continuous assault.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:49 am to
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You interpreted it differently than I did. I saw it as a useless adjective to someone make the article relevant to the crypto crowd and people that don't know any better. Do data centers use a lot of power? Sure. Whether it's a GPU (AI) or inefficient cooling methods used by building data centers in places without a lot of water is irrelevant. Banning the sales of ICE cars in California, the EU, as does shutting down coal and nuke plants "drive" markets to a greater degree. AI isn't driving anything. It's one of many, many, factors, and was an unnecessary sop to try to get this garbage quoted by people that don't know any better.

I think you’re wrong about this. Again, AI is a major driver for US power projects right now.
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The report finds that data centers consumed about 4.4% of total U.S. electricity in 2023 and are expected to consume approximately 6.7 to 12% of total U.S. electricity by 2028. The report indicates that total data center electricity usage climbed from 58 TWh in 2014 to 176 TWh in 2023 and estimates an increase between 325 to 580 TWh by 2028.
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Estimated annual electricity consumption by EVs grew to 7,596 GWh in 2023, almost five times the consumption in 2018.
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For reference, 7,596 GWh = 7.6 TWh.

In other words, in 2023, EV’s consumed about 4% as much power as data centers in the US.

Data center power consumption is expected to increase by 149-404 TWh by 2028. EV power consumption would have to increase by 1,960-5,316% (19-53x) over the same time period to have a larger impact on demand.

You said shutdown of nuclear plants drives markets to a greater degree - nuclear generation decreased by 15 TWh/yr from 2014-2024. Again, a small number compared to data center power consumption. You would have to lose 20-50% of total US nuclear generation capacity over the next 3 years for it to have a larger impact on the power market than data centers.

You mentioned coal. Coal has certainly seen larger changes since 2014 than nuclear, but today coal accounts for about 653 TWh/yr. Again, you would have to lose 23-62% of coal generation over the next 3 years for the impact to be larger than data centers. In the case of coal it’s possible. The rest, not so much.

All of this to say - dismissing the impact of AI on power consumption as “unnecessary sop” is misguided at best. Yes, there are multiple factors. AI is one of the largest.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:56 am to
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You interpreted it differently than I did


There was nothing to interpret, you were just wrong
Posted by TigerV
Member since Feb 2007
2935 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:36 am to
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Fiber optics being new? Jesus Christ. monitoring "driven" by AI? WTF does that actually mean, you dumb twat of a reporter? Does it mean some engineer set warning limits on volume and pressure to set off an alarm, or is SkyNet controlling valves on this thing with no human intervention?


You know how I know you do t know what you’re talking about? This is ignorant. Fiber optics are being used now to determine fluid flow, fracture patterns, and Microseismic events. These require AI and machine learning algorithms to do quickly, otherwise you’re looking at weeks before you get an interpretation.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29186 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:40 am to
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Fiber optics are being used now to determine fluid flow, fracture patterns, and Microseismic events.


Just about all the newly constructed pipelines supporting the petrochem plants SE of Baton Rouge have a fiber optic cable buried with them. That way theoretically, the operator knows in a instant if there's a crack/leak in the line.
Posted by TigerV
Member since Feb 2007
2935 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:45 am to
Detecting leaks and detecting the strain in the subsurface due to a progressing fracture from 500 ft away are two different things.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:46 am to
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Just about all the newly constructed pipelines supporting the petrochem plants SE of Baton Rouge have a fiber optic cable buried with them. That way theoretically, the operator knows in an instant if there's a crack/leak in the line.

Meaning fiber-optic chemical sensors? If so that’s pretty interesting. I did some research into FOCS for offshore oil & grease monitoring about 10 years ago and it was a very untested technology at the time.

Of course logically it makes a lot more sense for leak detection than O&G monitoring.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29186 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:37 am to
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Meaning fiber-optic chemical sensors? If so that’s pretty interesting.


I THINK, in my non-engineering mind, it more monitors an abnormal drop in pressure. Obviously there's a natural drop from the source to the destination, or the next booster pump, but I believe the cable infrastructure will at least let "central command" know if there's something abnormal.

At least that way, you can shut in the line if needed then pig the location of the "ping" to find out.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 11:38 am
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 12:13 pm to
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I THINK, in my non-engineering mind, it more monitors an abnormal drop in pressure. Obviously there's a natural drop from the source to the destination, or the next booster pump, but I believe the cable infrastructure will at least let "central command" know if there's something abnormal.

Gotcha. Not sure if we are talking about direct fiber measurement or simply wiring traditional pressure transmitters to fiber for communications. The latter is mature technology and probably not the type of application being referenced in the article.

The interesting developments in industrial fiber-optics over the past couple of decades have involved using fiber as a direct measurement tool rather than as a communication medium. Basically you design a fiber that reacts physically (changing the properties of the light) to some change in the measured variable. In the case of fiber-optic chemical sensors, the fiber has a coating that causes refraction of the chemical is present, then you can measure that refraction.

Probably the most mature example I’m aware of with pipelines is distributed temperature sensing, where you strap a fiber-optic cable to the outside of the pipe and that cable gives you temperature measurements along the entire length of the line. I’ve read that similar sensors can be built for pressure, but presumably that would require the cable to be run inside the pipe.. I assume that would be problematic for pigging but I’m not a pipeline guy.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 12:45 pm to
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You know how I know you do t know what you’re talking about?

Well, reference where I said I know shite about what goes on in pipelines to begin with?

Fiber optics aren't new, and the reporter in the story didn't reference *anything* that could be looked up like you did, so it's not exactly my fault. So change my criticism to, "these are fantastical new things that never existed before 2023, and the article should have bathed us in their technological glory, especially with the Pulitzer name attached to it!"

Please, do reference what you consider "AI" and MLA in relation to fluid flows, because I'm also interested to find out how fiber "does" this rather than just transport information from another sensor that is collecting it. Please, give me some links to find out. Maybe "IT" fiber is totally different.
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