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re: How stupid are the owners/managers at car dealerships?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:18 am to Hammertime
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:18 am to Hammertime
You're pissed because they didn't have a 6 to 10 year old truck on the lot when you showed up. I assume 6-10 because of the 12k-18k price range that you gave. It's a used truck and like you said there are a ton of them out there. Buy one from someone that has one on site.
This is the OT and we don't really care about poor people problems associated with buying used cars. I picked this up from the dealer yesterday and it took less than an hour.
This is the OT and we don't really care about poor people problems associated with buying used cars. I picked this up from the dealer yesterday and it took less than an hour.
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:22 am to Purple Spoon
quote:I walk away more than 95% of the time no matter what. I'm not an impulse buyer when it comes to long term purchases. On this search, I have looked at and driven probably 15 different trucks and haven't gotten one yet. If the truck isn't right, the price needs to be so I can make it like I want. If they want to frick up a surefire sale by not coming down off of a retarded price, then they'll lose a sale.
Key to buying a car- always be willing to walk away.
I spoke to a salesman in Mobile today that had a truck that IMHO was worth $8500. It was a 2005 Z71 Extended cab completely loaded out with no scratches on it at all, but it has 174,000 miles. They had it listed for $11.5k, and after speaking with him I told him I was gonna think about it for a few minutes and call him back with an offer. His answer was, "Sorry sir, we don't negotiate on prices. Our listed prices are what we sell our cars for". I told him, "Alright well that's fine. You just made my decision a whole lot easier. Have a good weekend". No reason to waste my time on that, and they absolutely will not sell the truck for that price
How dumb can you be? Maybe I would've offered him $11,250, but he'll never know now because of stupid policies set by the management
quote:Have fun with your note for the next 72 months. I have a truck and suv both paid for. Planning on paying cash for the new truck and be done with it. I don't want to deal with all of the electronic bullshite and associated problems that were put into vehicles starting around 2008, so I am sticking with an older vehicle. Sure I could go out, plop $30k on a desk, and finance another $30k, but I don't want to do that
Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Btw, Panameras are ugly
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 12:31 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:42 am to Hammertime
I haven't had a car note since 2004 and plan to keep it that way, but thank you for trying.
As to your 2008 electronic bullshite, you are going to have to go way deeper in the archives to avoid that. Granted more electronics have been added every year but 2008 is not the stepping off point.
When they first came out I thought Panamera's were ugly as well. But seeing one up close and actually driving one changed my opinion.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:58 am to Hammertime
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Twice this week I went to go look at different trucks only to find out that the owner of the dealership took them to a meeting or out of town on vacation. Come to find out, they used them as everyday vehicles. I mean, if you're gonna have a dealership and cars for sale, at least have the damn things there.
I don't know man, I've never had this problem.
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Next is pricing. Why do they think they can get away pricing a truck at $18k when there are 5 more of the exact same trucks in town priced around $12k? I can ask again, do they even want to sell the damn things?
So just buy the ones for $12k. The dealer is going to try to get the highest price he can, obviously.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:58 am to Hammertime
You are chasing them to pay for a truck they drive for free?
I guess I don't know what stupid means?
I guess I don't know what stupid means?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:01 am to BallCoachinFool
And that's pretty stupid in and of itself.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:05 am to BallCoachinFool
I think everyone is missing Hammertimes point. His point is these dealerships are charging way too much money for there vehicles. Would you pay $30 for a Big Mac Value Meal? I doubt it. I think hammertime wants to pay what the truck is worth maybe a little more but not a whole lot more.
Also salesman who are clueless and that are never at work when you go to a dealership to c hec k out a vehicle is also is what hes complaining about. To me that would tick me off too.
Sorry im on hammertimes side on this one. Too many vehicles out there to be had. The market is flooded with vehicles he will get the right deal.
Also salesman who are clueless and that are never at work when you go to a dealership to c hec k out a vehicle is also is what hes complaining about. To me that would tick me off too.
Sorry im on hammertimes side on this one. Too many vehicles out there to be had. The market is flooded with vehicles he will get the right deal.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:20 am to vengeanceofrain
You sell cars not sale cars moron
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:23 am to yellowfin
Also for hammertime
You can't expect them to roll out the red carpet for an 8k truck, there just isn't much money for them in it
You can't expect them to roll out the red carpet for an 8k truck, there just isn't much money for them in it
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:24 am to Double Oh
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$30 for a Big Mac
Don't worry
Its coming
Vehicles will always be a rape fest. Get used to it.
Keep looking, I found what I found to be a good deal for me in exactly the truck I wanted. It just took 6 months and many hours via Internet and on the road. Good luck hammer, sorry I was a douche for no reason.
And all you peeps buying electric vehicles. Frick you, you are the reason gas is so expensive. Gotta make up for lost revenue.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:38 am to Double Oh
I agree with you and hammer as well. I have been to places to look at the possibility of purchasing a vehicle and even boat for that matter and calling ahead to make sure they are there and ready for me. Only to drive an hour or more or less to find that the salesman and or vehicle is gone for whatever reason and won't be back til the next day.
Qucik story. Happened at a ford dealership in gulfport some years back. Found this loaded very low mileage 7.3 crew f250 exactly like i wanted they had just taken on trade that morning or night before,can't remember. Anyway Wife and i jump in car and drive over there on a Saturday mid afternoon. Get there pumped like a kid on Christmas morning, only to find the sales mgr already called his buddy to come get the truck for the weekend. They then try the ole bait and switch and sell me a brand new one for a lot more, but it was brand new
Long story short I raised more hell with the gm then he had probably ever seen and come Monday afternoon the salesman had that truck in my driveway in baton rouge for less then we thought we would ever get it for.
Qucik story. Happened at a ford dealership in gulfport some years back. Found this loaded very low mileage 7.3 crew f250 exactly like i wanted they had just taken on trade that morning or night before,can't remember. Anyway Wife and i jump in car and drive over there on a Saturday mid afternoon. Get there pumped like a kid on Christmas morning, only to find the sales mgr already called his buddy to come get the truck for the weekend. They then try the ole bait and switch and sell me a brand new one for a lot more, but it was brand new
Long story short I raised more hell with the gm then he had probably ever seen and come Monday afternoon the salesman had that truck in my driveway in baton rouge for less then we thought we would ever get it for.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:05 am to Hammertime
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Twice this week I went to go look at different trucks only to find out that the owner of the dealership took them to a meeting or out of town on vacation. Come to find out, they used them as everyday vehicles. I mean, if you're gonna have a dealership and cars for sale, at least have the damn things there.
So you were interested in a Demo? A Demo is a vehicle that managers/owners drive on a daily basis until they reach a certain mileage. If the vehicle wasn't available for you to see and drive, don't blame the owner or manager. The blame should be directed at the salesperson you spoke with. If the salesperson knew a customer was coming to look at the vehicle he would inform the sales manager and they would make sure the vehicle was there.
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Next is pricing. Why do they think they can get away pricing a truck at $18k when there are 5 more of the exact same trucks in town priced around $12k? I can ask again, do they even want to sell the damn things?
I'm guessing you were looking at a used vehicle so prices will vary from dealer to dealer. New Car Dealerships who sell used cars often have their cars inspected and repaired before going on the lot for resale. Most used car dealers don't or just repair the obvious problems. This is where the price difference comes in.
I prefer purchasing a used car from a new car dealership vs independent used car dealer....even if I have to pay a little more because if an issue arises, the dealership will more than likely help with expenses.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:07 am to Hammertime
They saw your avatar and said frick his test drive.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:11 am to BallCoachinFool
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And all you peeps buying electric vehicles. Frick you, you are the reason gas is so expensive. Gotta make up for lost revenue.
do you have a link? I would think we use more gas now than everPosted on 7/27/14 at 9:12 am to Hammertime
The managers/ owners you speak of are doing very well financially. Their businesses are growing daily. They are not lacking for customers at all. No, they aren't worried about you .
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:45 am to windmill
The definitive Tigerdroppings post on buying a car. Thank, Will Cover!
1. Arm yourself with information. LINK / , LINK / , LINK and LINK are excellent sites to research the vehicle of your choice (Invoice vs. MSRP, manufacturer rebates, dealer holdback, etc.)
2. Never show emotion even when going for a test drive (do NOT provide dealer with your driver’s license). Instead, prior to your arrival at the dealership, make a copy of your driver’s license and furnish the dealer with the copy of your driver’s license.
3. Never show emotion when negotiating.
4. Never offer or accept the first price.
5. Start off negotiations by saying “that’s not good enough.”
6. Never offer a counter price.
7. Silence is golden. When in doubt, shut up and you will pay less.
8. Know what power you possess by being able to “walk away.”
9. Never negotiate off “MSRP.” The negotiation process should start from the DEALER COST (which is less than INVOICE) price or the WHOLESALE price if purchasing a USED vehicle.
10. Rebates can be deducted from INVOICE price and not MSRP as the dealership will lead you to believe.
11. Know the dealer’s “hold-back” price and what type of incentives that may be offered from the manufacturer or dealership.
12. Don’t discuss a trade-in until you’ve settled on a price for the car you’re buying – each transaction should be separate and not dependent upon one another.
13. Settle on the price of the vehicle you’re interested in before you bring up financing — don’t let the rate of a loan influence the price of the car.
14. Have your financing pre-approved before you walk into a dealership.
15. Extended warranties never make financial sense.
16. Be aware of “extra” charges such as administrative fees, handling charges, advertising fees, paint protection, VIN etching – simply do not pay these as these are deal breakers. And believe it or not, even “delivery” charges are negotiable.
17. Get the deal in writing. Full disclosure, in writing, of all fees pertaining to your vehicle purchase, such as destination, title, documentation, licensing and registration. If the dealer will not put it in writing, “walk away.”
18. The “If I” sales tactic. This is the last step in the sales negotiation process. Ex. If I decide to purchase the vehicle today, you have to include free window tinting. If I decide to take the red vehicle instead of the white vehicle, you have to include 5 free oil and tire rotation services. If I decide to purchase the vehicle today, you have to include floor mats at no additional cost. If done correctly, this will allow you to get another “service and/or product” that you normally would not have received and by this time, there is no way will the dealership allow you to “walk” because there is too much time invested between both parties. The dealership knows you are in a buying mode and doesn’t want to run the risk of you becoming a “be back” customer for another dealership since most people buy within 48 hours of stepping onto a dealership’s lot.
19. Put deposits on a “credit card” only. Do NOT pay with a check.
20. If you got a great deal, show your appreciation. Thank the dealer and be sure to send your friends to them when they go car shopping.
1. Arm yourself with information. LINK / , LINK / , LINK and LINK are excellent sites to research the vehicle of your choice (Invoice vs. MSRP, manufacturer rebates, dealer holdback, etc.)
2. Never show emotion even when going for a test drive (do NOT provide dealer with your driver’s license). Instead, prior to your arrival at the dealership, make a copy of your driver’s license and furnish the dealer with the copy of your driver’s license.
3. Never show emotion when negotiating.
4. Never offer or accept the first price.
5. Start off negotiations by saying “that’s not good enough.”
6. Never offer a counter price.
7. Silence is golden. When in doubt, shut up and you will pay less.
8. Know what power you possess by being able to “walk away.”
9. Never negotiate off “MSRP.” The negotiation process should start from the DEALER COST (which is less than INVOICE) price or the WHOLESALE price if purchasing a USED vehicle.
10. Rebates can be deducted from INVOICE price and not MSRP as the dealership will lead you to believe.
11. Know the dealer’s “hold-back” price and what type of incentives that may be offered from the manufacturer or dealership.
12. Don’t discuss a trade-in until you’ve settled on a price for the car you’re buying – each transaction should be separate and not dependent upon one another.
13. Settle on the price of the vehicle you’re interested in before you bring up financing — don’t let the rate of a loan influence the price of the car.
14. Have your financing pre-approved before you walk into a dealership.
15. Extended warranties never make financial sense.
16. Be aware of “extra” charges such as administrative fees, handling charges, advertising fees, paint protection, VIN etching – simply do not pay these as these are deal breakers. And believe it or not, even “delivery” charges are negotiable.
17. Get the deal in writing. Full disclosure, in writing, of all fees pertaining to your vehicle purchase, such as destination, title, documentation, licensing and registration. If the dealer will not put it in writing, “walk away.”
18. The “If I” sales tactic. This is the last step in the sales negotiation process. Ex. If I decide to purchase the vehicle today, you have to include free window tinting. If I decide to take the red vehicle instead of the white vehicle, you have to include 5 free oil and tire rotation services. If I decide to purchase the vehicle today, you have to include floor mats at no additional cost. If done correctly, this will allow you to get another “service and/or product” that you normally would not have received and by this time, there is no way will the dealership allow you to “walk” because there is too much time invested between both parties. The dealership knows you are in a buying mode and doesn’t want to run the risk of you becoming a “be back” customer for another dealership since most people buy within 48 hours of stepping onto a dealership’s lot.
19. Put deposits on a “credit card” only. Do NOT pay with a check.
20. If you got a great deal, show your appreciation. Thank the dealer and be sure to send your friends to them when they go car shopping.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:47 am to windmill
Dp
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:47 am to windmill
Car dealerships take advantage of the financially irresponsible. If you make 50k a year you have no buisness in a 45k yukon at 75 months and 8% interest. Its just not smart.
I dont blame a dealership for developing a profitable buisness model even if it is slick.
I dont blame a dealership for developing a profitable buisness model even if it is slick.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:57 am to Topwater Trout
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do you have a link?
No
Just common sense. Cars get better gas mileage today than previously. This means less gas used. More electric cars on roads today than ever. Now even less gas is used.
I am sure E85 plays a roll in this too.
I could be wrong though. I'm just a dude with a keyboard trying to not look at porn so when my GF wakes up I can stick it to her like gas companies stick it to us.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:13 am to BallCoachinFool
Idk either. I did hear our refineries are selling more gas to mex and SA which is driving our prices up.
My personal opinion is the oil companies have us over a barrel (pun intended) and they are enjoying their record profits. They have clever excuses that allow them to raise profits like hurricanes and exports. What can we do? Nothing
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