re: How real is a water scarcity threat, re: Building Data Centers?

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This is the new liberal fight

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I’m conservative and think this shite needs to be reigned in and looked at more closely.

This really highlights the need for a new centralist political party.

The bulk of the reasonable and intelligent people in this country cannot align with either side anymore.

You can't be both a capitalist and an environmentalist anymore. For people who are largely single-issue voters it doesn't matter. I want economic opportunity and protection of natural resources. Where do I fall on the political spectrum? I don't agree with any of them.

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I don’t really know what “delivering $2.65 billion in customer benefits” means. Do you? It’s all deliberately obscure. Even if that were Meta’s actual contract value with Entergy, I’m not sure how anyone could possibly determine whether that’s good or bad for the rate-paying public without the full details being released.

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There is quite a bit to unpack about the energy usage and the cost vs contributions associated. The costs are being advertised as well as some of the contributions from META. However, its not all fully known as alot of the details are confidential. Generally, contribution in aid is given by the end user to fund building and network upgrades. These costs are generally known and, we are being told, are being paid upfront by META. The next 15 years of maintenance are also being funded by META, supposedly. A poster said the pay off is 45 years. If true, the last 30 years will be paid by customers in MISO South (ie, all of us) at a time where the units will need the most care. It's something that the PSC is missing, IMO.

The good....generation capacity is struggling to keep in in Louisiana, and all of MISO, even today. Entergy cannot support its own load and is purchasing from the market today. That bring up the cost of generation (supply and demand). With the building of new generation units, they will bring the supply up, hopefully, the demand down, and level off the price of capacity in MISO and specifically, Zone 9.

I know, alot of projection in that, but that is the simplest way of putting it.

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This really highlights the need for a new centralist political party.

The bulk of the reasonable and intelligent people in this country cannot align with either side anymore.

You can't be both a capitalist and an environmentalist anymore. For people who are largely single-issue voters it doesn't matter. I want economic opportunity and protection of natural resources. Where do I fall on the political spectrum? I don't agree with any of them.

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The good....generation capacity is struggling to keep in in Louisiana, and all of MISO, even today. Entergy cannot support its own load and is purchasing from the market today. That bring up the cost of generation (supply and demand). With the building of new generation units, they will bring the supply up, hopefully, the demand down, and level off the price of capacity in MISO and specifically, Zone 9.

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I keep hearing data centers are strongly considering ICE power generation on site in anticipation of purchase power costs rising unsustainable.

As in, line up a shitload of gas turbine generators and sync to the grid. Hard to wrap your head around the energy usage required for that to make sense, but I know it's being considered and possibly already being implemented. I don't have that much visibility behind the curtain.

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but a single industrial facility that uses more water in a day than a neighborhood does in a month doesn’t even get asked if they can consider any conservation strategies.

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Some industries legit cannot conserve water without drastically slowing or stopping their operation, and then that will impact jobs, etc. Believe me, I’m not defending data centers, I think they are a scourge in their communities and for what they mean for the future.

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I don't give a shite who "wins." I want my children to be a rung higher on the social ladder than I am, and I want them to have a green earth full of wildlife for them to hunt and fish, clean water to drink, clean air to breathe, a ripping arse economy, in a country with the unquestioned ability to militarily inflict its will on anyone in the world at any time. Is that too much to ask of America?

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Nailed it

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Is that too much to ask of America?

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What if it is?

You need regulations that inhibit innovation, which is anti-capitalist. Part of the problem is that other countries will pursue that innovation, leaving America behind in advancing into the future.

I don't have a solution, but I also recognize that humanity is a scourge on the planet. We've been obliterating natural resources for a few hundred years now in the name of capitalistic pursuit. Now that we've reached the point where we realize what we're doing is only going to end in eventual disaster, we still refuse to slow down. Hell, our best capitalists look at the situation and say, "Hey! We've gotta get out of here!"

Again, I don't know the solution. Slow down capitalism and America falls behind in the long run. Maintain the current pace and watch data centers pop up in communities that don't want them. It's a lose-lose. Maybe we need to get out of here.

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Believe me, I’m not defending data centers, I think they are a scourge in their communities and for what they mean for the future.

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Curious where you're going with the last statement

We can agree on the principle. It’s harder to get people to agree on how much MORE one is willing to pay for products manufactured with this more environmentally responsible kit.

And I agree with you on all this; I’m just reminding that, at the end of the day, it comes back to the pocketbooks of either the consumer or the taxpayer. And many of us are both.