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re: How old do you believe the Earth is?
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:39 am to Palantir
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:39 am to Palantir
My bad. Thanks for the clarity, brutha.
(It's impossible sometimes to discern sarcasm from truth.)
In a nutshell, BINGO.
(btw, how are your friends and family handling your "kookiness"? ;-)
(It's impossible sometimes to discern sarcasm from truth.)
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They spout their "theories" about evolution and how we evolved from apes. They are trying to take over the world in a secret society. We all know the Earth is only a couple thousand years old, flat, and the sun is much much smaller and closer than they say.
In a nutshell, BINGO.
(btw, how are your friends and family handling your "kookiness"? ;-)
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:44 am to Liberator
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But they are unanimous in their translation of Genesis.
I wouldn't say that 100%. They are similar, but they aren't "unanimous".
Compare Translations for Genesis 1:1
Again why are we (as Christians) hanging our hats on specific words when the point is simply "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth"? Beyond that, why should I really care about the how? Does it change the gist of the story? Nobody on Earth was there when it happened and we'll never be able to prove how it was done. So why argue semantics?
Edit: In fact, as both a Christian and Scientist, I'd argue to ignore overwhelming scientific evidence does more to alienate the average person from Christianity than hanging on to literal interpretations from Genesis.
But that's just my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/10/22 at 7:47 am
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:51 am to Liberator
quote:For the most part they are OK with it. They get a little weirded out by my tinfoil hat and 25 years' worth of baked beans stored in my camper, but all in all it's been fine. I'm not allowed at family gatherings anymore, but that just gives me more time to research the truth.
(btw, how are your friends and family handling your "kookiness"? ;-)
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:56 am to Lonnie Utah
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If you've read the new testament, you know that Jesus often spoke metaphorically, so why would the rest of the bible be any different if you believe in the Holy Trinity...
Yes, Jesus did occasionally speak metaphorically in His teachings; But only in specific verses for the Apostles, to make special points. "Metaphors" are not generally how Jesus conveyed His message --he was pretty direct (whether personally or as the Holy Spirit inspired Word through Moses, the OT Prophets or NT Apostles.)
Posted on 2/10/22 at 7:57 am to Palantir
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They get a little weirded out by my tinfoil hat and 25 years' worth of baked beans stored in my camper, but all in all it's been fine. I'm not allowed at family gatherings anymore, but that just gives me more time to research the truth.
Ha! (but whoa).
*nodding*
God bless you, muh brutha.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:02 am to Lonnie Utah
At this point, both naturalists and creationists should be able to recognize that each are beginning with assumptions that inherently exclude the other’s viewpoint as being a valid explanation for our origins. Neither is proving or disproving either viewpoint because they both having to make some assumptions that are unprovable.
Creationists begin with an assumption that the Bible is true. God spoke and our universe spontaneously came to be. Naturalists cannot disprove this, they just dismiss it as it is incompatible with the Godless reality they assume we inhabit.
Naturalists assume that there is not and was never any supernatural force acting on our reality. Whatever they see today must be explained by natural forces occurring over whatever period of time is necessary to theoretically allow the result we see today. Creationists cannot disprove this, they merely argue that only one entity, God, was there to observe our origins and the only reliable eye witness to it.
Both viewpoints can employ the scientific method for present observation and studies. The breakdown will come when attempting to offer explanations about our past.
Creationists begin with an assumption that the Bible is true. God spoke and our universe spontaneously came to be. Naturalists cannot disprove this, they just dismiss it as it is incompatible with the Godless reality they assume we inhabit.
Naturalists assume that there is not and was never any supernatural force acting on our reality. Whatever they see today must be explained by natural forces occurring over whatever period of time is necessary to theoretically allow the result we see today. Creationists cannot disprove this, they merely argue that only one entity, God, was there to observe our origins and the only reliable eye witness to it.
Both viewpoints can employ the scientific method for present observation and studies. The breakdown will come when attempting to offer explanations about our past.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:33 am to Liberator
quote:Are you for real?
Liberator
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:35 am to Lonnie Utah
Linky no worky.
Bear with me.
If we can't hang out hat, coat, and entire wardrobe on Genesis, we've surrendered the war to the Evolutionists whose singular goal is to undermine and make God a liar -- ESPECIALLY with respect to Genesis.
What does the Bible Account of Genesis do?
1) Validates God as Creator of all things -- including Man as well as the rest of the Glory of His Creation, (Earth created on DAY 3)
(INVALIDATES "Big Bang" and "random" Creation and Purpose out of Thin Air)
2) Validates His sequential account of Creation in 6 Days (rested on the 7th Day
(INVALIDATES "Old Earth")
3) Validates His Timeline of this world at @6,000 Years Old
(INVALIDATES "4.5 Billion year old Universe")
4) Validates and documents His Astronomical reasons and purpose "the give Light upon the Earth", on DAY 4
(INVALIDATES the Sun, Moon, and Stars as having been created BEFORE Earth)
5) Validates there was NO DEATH before Adam's fall
(INVALIDATES "Big Bang", death of "Dinosaurs and "pre-Adam man" millions of years ago" / "Evolution")
6) Validates Earth (and Geocentrism and the Sun moving across Earth) as THE Center of Creation and the Universe
(INVALIDATES Heliocentricism and the Sun as the Center of worship and focus of Creation.)
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Again why are we (as Christians) hanging our hats on specific words when the point is simply "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth"? Beyond that, why should I really care about the how? Does it change the gist of the story?
Bear with me.
If we can't hang out hat, coat, and entire wardrobe on Genesis, we've surrendered the war to the Evolutionists whose singular goal is to undermine and make God a liar -- ESPECIALLY with respect to Genesis.
What does the Bible Account of Genesis do?
1) Validates God as Creator of all things -- including Man as well as the rest of the Glory of His Creation, (Earth created on DAY 3)
(INVALIDATES "Big Bang" and "random" Creation and Purpose out of Thin Air)
2) Validates His sequential account of Creation in 6 Days (rested on the 7th Day
(INVALIDATES "Old Earth")
3) Validates His Timeline of this world at @6,000 Years Old
(INVALIDATES "4.5 Billion year old Universe")
4) Validates and documents His Astronomical reasons and purpose "the give Light upon the Earth", on DAY 4
(INVALIDATES the Sun, Moon, and Stars as having been created BEFORE Earth)
5) Validates there was NO DEATH before Adam's fall
(INVALIDATES "Big Bang", death of "Dinosaurs and "pre-Adam man" millions of years ago" / "Evolution")
6) Validates Earth (and Geocentrism and the Sun moving across Earth) as THE Center of Creation and the Universe
(INVALIDATES Heliocentricism and the Sun as the Center of worship and focus of Creation.)
This post was edited on 2/10/22 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:37 am to Korkstand
Got a point to make? I'm all ears.
If not, I'm not interested.
If not, I'm not interested.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:38 am to Liberator
Who wrote genesis?
And how long after it happened did he write it down?
And how long after it happened did he write it down?
This post was edited on 2/10/22 at 8:39 am
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:39 am to Jack Bauers HnK
Please see below
(What does the Bible Account of Genesis do?)
(What does the Bible Account of Genesis do?)
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:41 am to Liberator
quote:You're all mouth.
Got a point to make? I'm all ears.
Everyone has made points and you've dismissed them because you read one book. You are shouting over them because you believe that you have it all figured out.
The people who don't have everything figured out will continue building on our actual knowledge. You are free to continue living in ignorance.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:42 am to Displaced
quote:
Who wrote genesis?
Moses
quote:
And how long after it happened did he write it down?
Many centuries.
IF you're a Christian or Bible-Believer, you certainly understand the Holy Spirit speaks His Truth to and through the Prophets.
IF you are NOT, then I guess "Science" will suffice as your "Deity".
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:45 am to Korkstand
"One book"?
Man...
You either don't want to follow along, OR, are too lazy.
Do you have an actual constructive debate point or position to make regarding the age of the Earth?
Man...
You either don't want to follow along, OR, are too lazy.
Do you have an actual constructive debate point or position to make regarding the age of the Earth?
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:46 am to Korkstand
quote:
The people who don't have everything figured out will continue building on our actual knowledge
You mean your Rockefeller / Davos / Fauci Overlords?
K
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:46 am to Liberator
More power to you.
I simply just don't understand the mindset of bible literalists.
I simply just don't understand the mindset of bible literalists.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:47 am to Displaced
I respect that honesty and sincerity.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:50 am to Liberator
quote:
Institute for Creation Research,
frickING YES.
This is what I have been waiting for. A true lunatic to enter the arena.
I only wish you had gotten in this thread sooner.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:50 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:
Again why are we (as Christians) hanging our hats on specific words when the point is simply "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth"? Beyond that, why should I really care about the how? Does it change the gist of the story? Nobody on Earth was there when it happened and we'll never be able to prove how it was done. So why argue semantics?
Edit: In fact, as both a Christian and Scientist, I'd argue to ignore overwhelming scientific evidence does more to alienate the average person from Christianity than hanging on to literal interpretations from Genesis.
That pretty much says it. The only thing I would add is that the vastness of space and time, the wonders of molecules, DNA and the entirety of scientific endeavors are part of the overall creation that is there for us to observe and try to understand. As everything was created by God in the beginning, who are we to deny the truth and reality of the creation that we are given? Science in all of its forms is a means to observe and learn from all that God created. Why would anyone turn away from creation based on a made-up claim that God doesn't want us to see it? That's lunacy and it goes against what God has placed in front of us to observe and study.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:50 am to Fun Bunch
Do you actually believe the Smithsonian plays it straight?
Research the Royal Society of Science and their role in "history" and science". OR DON'T.
Research the Royal Society of Science and their role in "history" and science". OR DON'T.
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