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How often do commercial pilot's co-pilot save the plane?

Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:28 pm
It appears many of these private plane accidents are due to the pilots making fairly basic errors where having a co-pilot there would drastically assist in resolving the issue. So pilots of the OT, how often am I flying in the back and have no idea that if the co-pilot wasn't in the cabin we would have all died?

I know its not very often and flying is still very safe. I'm just generally curious if for most pilots its say a handful of times during a career?
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13980 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:31 pm to
The co-pilot is the mother.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

how often am I flying in the back and have no idea that if the co-pilot wasn't in the cabin we would have all died?

umm, like, ummm, let me see, never?
Posted by TideSaint
God's country
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85181 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by Iron Lion
Romulus
Member since Nov 2014
14169 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:41 pm to
We were watching American Pickers the other day and they were at some aviation museum that was run by Sully's co-pilot. Don't know his name and don't care. The guys had no idea who he was. He asked them several times did he look familiar to them, they would say no should you. He finally told them "Sully wasn't the only pilot in the cockpit that day". He was damn near insulted that they didn't know who he was. I guess co-pilots need love too
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:42 pm to
Co pilot is there in case real pilot has a heart attack or something.

Rule of 2.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:45 pm to
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I guess co-pilots need love too


I always have two, sometimes three co-pilots when I fly, I was joking with them around the time of that incident and we were coming into Honolulu one day and said something like "we should ditch this thing and maybe get a book/movie deal like Sully, he's racking up!" the response was "it won't do us any good, as far as the public knows, there wasn't a co-pilot on his flight"
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Co pilot is there in case real pilot has a heart attack or something.


nah, that's not the case
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:49 pm to
At least 2 high profile crashes were caused by the co pilot in recent years.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 6:29 pm
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6825 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:43 pm to
The frick?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:44 pm to
Whenever 777Tiger is the pilot.


















Just kidding.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

Whenever 777Tiger is the pilot.


quote:

Just kidding.




jk, co-pilots are an invaluable resource(don't let any of them know I said that,) in fact, we inform new hires that they've been hired to be a Captain, and that they are "Captains in training"
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106086 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Co pilot is there in case real pilot has a heart attack or something.



I (no pilot training) was flying with a guy one time and glanced over to see him slumped down in his seat. He was just looking at a chart spread out in his lap but it was a real oh shite moment for a couple of seconds.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6825 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

jk, co-pilots are an invaluable resource(don't let any of them know I said that,) in fact, we inform new hires that they've been hired to be a Captain, and that they are "Captains in training"


That’s because you old fricks are being pushed out.


Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
2036 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:00 pm to
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777Tiger


Who do you fly for?

My uncle is a captain for United out of Dulles. Whenever he's in BR for the holidays, i just drill him with stuff. He loves talking about what he does. Was a coast guard flight instructor for 25 years before moving to united around 15 or so years ago
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
26607 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:00 pm to
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"Captains in training"

Somebody has to teach them young'uns what all those buttons and switches do.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24474 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

The frick?


The first issue mentioned in the last couple flying accidents was spatial disorientation right? So its a valid question. If one pilot experiences SD or any number of other issues, how often would the 2nd pilot recover the plane?

Tons of military pilots fly alone and you rarely hear of these issues and they are flying missions in shite weather and conditions much worse then fog. I mean landing on an aircraft carrier at night in bad weather has to be one of the hardest right?

Is it just that those guys receive that much more and better training? They are simply better pilots, a combination of the two, or what? Yes I know military guys crash occasionally also.
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:05 pm to
Jeff Skiles. Jesus. No credit given to that guy.

Also there is a difference between professionally-crewed and owner-flown. Not to disparage owner-flown but there are benefits to having pilots whose sole job is to fly.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 3:34 pm
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6825 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

The first issue mentioned in the last couple flying accidents was spatial disorientation right? So its a valid question. If one pilot experiences SD or any number of other issues, how often would the 2nd pilot recover the plane?



Not airline pilots. They’re working together in the cockpit. Not waiting on the other to frick up and “save the day”.

quote:

Tons of military pilots fly alone and you rarely hear of these issues and they are flying missions in shite weather and conditions much worse then fog. I mean landing on an aircraft carrier at night in bad weather has to be one of the hardest ri


In my Coast Guard flying I’ve always been minimum a 2 man crew. The majority of military flying is the same minus a some fighters.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

We were watching American Pickers the other day


Did you know those two guys are gay and they frick each other in the arse in that weird van while they drive around the country looking for antiques? Yea you will never look at that show the same again
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