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How much time should thieves get for stealing 32 guns?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:13 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:13 am
"four men have been sentenced for their involvement in the theft of 32 firearms from a gun dealer in Maurice, Louisiana"
They got sentences of 14 to 120 months.
With overcrowding and early release programs, who knows how much time they'll actually serve. Not to mention appeals because this was doubtless their first brush with the law ever.
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"All four of the men admitted to their involvement in stealing 32 firearms from the premises of Swampland Trading Co., a licensed firearms dealer located in Maurice, Louisiana, on September 7, 2021"
Figured robbing a gun store would have automatically had stiffer minimum penalties.
They got sentences of 14 to 120 months.
With overcrowding and early release programs, who knows how much time they'll actually serve. Not to mention appeals because this was doubtless their first brush with the law ever.
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"All four of the men admitted to their involvement in stealing 32 firearms from the premises of Swampland Trading Co., a licensed firearms dealer located in Maurice, Louisiana, on September 7, 2021"
Figured robbing a gun store would have automatically had stiffer minimum penalties.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:16 am to TheGenyus
Less time than Rage Hewitt.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:23 am to TheGenyus
Finally found pictures of the haul and the perps
https://www.gueydantoday.com/news/vermilion-parish-sheriff%E2%80%99s-office-makes-multiple-arrests-after-investigating-burglary-gun-shop
Pretty detailed write-up at that site.
Oh yes, more perps were arrested than were convicted. Maybe they got one or two to flip, or were juvies and cut loose. Some convicted felons in there, which may explain the 96 and 120 month sentences.
It's amazing how many felons in possession arrests there are. One might imagine that would be one good place to start with some sort of federal "three strikes and yer out" law.
What is street price on a stolen gun anyway? Trying to figure out how much those 32 guns would have brought in. Am guessing that all 4 of them could have made that much in a month or two at some $15/hr fast food joint.
Old article said 6 arrested and value over $20k
https://www.katc.com/news/vermilion-parish/6-arrested-in-gun-shop-robbery-more-than-20k-in-weapons-recovered
https://www.gueydantoday.com/news/vermilion-parish-sheriff%E2%80%99s-office-makes-multiple-arrests-after-investigating-burglary-gun-shop
Pretty detailed write-up at that site.
Oh yes, more perps were arrested than were convicted. Maybe they got one or two to flip, or were juvies and cut loose. Some convicted felons in there, which may explain the 96 and 120 month sentences.
It's amazing how many felons in possession arrests there are. One might imagine that would be one good place to start with some sort of federal "three strikes and yer out" law.
What is street price on a stolen gun anyway? Trying to figure out how much those 32 guns would have brought in. Am guessing that all 4 of them could have made that much in a month or two at some $15/hr fast food joint.
Old article said 6 arrested and value over $20k
https://www.katc.com/news/vermilion-parish/6-arrested-in-gun-shop-robbery-more-than-20k-in-weapons-recovered
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 3:52 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:33 am to TheGenyus
I think the theft of one gun should equal at least 30 years in prison. Guns acquired illegally are used to commit most of the murders in this country. That's common sense gun control.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:43 am to TheGenyus
I'll take a blem discount price on the sub2000 and the 2 1911's at bottom left
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:46 am to adavis
quote:I'd like to hear the opinion of the downvoter. Should the criminal spend more time or less time in prison?
I think the theft of one gun should equal at least 30 years in prison. Guns acquired illegally are used to commit most of the murders in this country. That's common sense gun control.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:25 am to TheGenyus
They stole just a little ammo. I guess ammo is too expensive to steal now.
Are any of those "Assault weapons"? People had better be careful when walking by the evidence room. Kamala says those are dangerous. We don't want good people kilt just from walking by the room these are stored in.
Are any of those "Assault weapons"? People had better be careful when walking by the evidence room. Kamala says those are dangerous. We don't want good people kilt just from walking by the room these are stored in.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:54 am to Asharad
quote:quote:
I think the theft of one gun should equal at least 30 years in prison. Guns acquired illegally are used to commit most of the murders in this country. That's common sense gun control.
I'd like to hear the opinion of the downvoter. Should the criminal spend more time or less time in prison?
I didn't downvote or upvote. But I don't think stealing a gun should get you any more of a sentence than stealing a car or a bike does. I think the sentencing guidelines and even the charges are relative to property value for theft or robbery?
Just my thinking on the matter, it troubles me if sentencing or charges are based on possible criminal intent without actual evidence. Charge them for the actual crime they commit.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:11 am to mdomingue
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But I don't think stealing a gun should get you any more of a sentence than stealing a car or a bike does. I think the sentencing guidelines and even the charges are relative to property value for theft or robbery?
Ideally I’d like to agree with you, but a portion of this country wants to punish responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:23 am to upgrade
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Ideally I’d like to agree with you, but a portion of this country wants to punish responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals.
If my neighbor hits the salt marshes, and catches 9 redfish, I don't want to have to give up my fishing rods.
Also, if the ghetto qwains, and white trash are fat, don't come for my spoon and bowl.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
Just start actually punishing people for illegal possession of a firearm.
Some clown murders someone during a drug deal - they get charged with 1st degree felony murder, illegal possession of a firearm and distribution. The DA lets them plead down to 2nd degree, gives them 10 years, they serve 5 - then they're back on the street doing the same shite as before. Just start putting the frickers away.
Some clown murders someone during a drug deal - they get charged with 1st degree felony murder, illegal possession of a firearm and distribution. The DA lets them plead down to 2nd degree, gives them 10 years, they serve 5 - then they're back on the street doing the same shite as before. Just start putting the frickers away.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:11 am to TheGenyus
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thieves
At least 1 hand chopped off and a few fingers off the other. I fricking hate a thief. Someone traded hours of their life for money to pay for the shite you stole.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:32 am to cable
I've heard that some prosecutors are more interested in plea deals to keep their conviction rate at 100%. They then use that as political evidence they are tough on crime when they run for higher office. Don't know any of the parties involved, so can't say that is a factor or not. Sure does seem like there are an awful lot of repeat offenders, particularly felons in possession.
One would think a felon would avoid a gun like kryptonite. Unless they feel the odds of then getting caught and convicted again are low. Or they just don't think ahead to consequences for actions.
Most if not all of those guns would have gone into circulation for more crime. So 32 stolen guns could arguably end up in an equal or greater number of crimes. Possibly including a murder or two, depending on which city they get sold in. I don't know the percentage of crimes committed with legal vs. stolen guns, but I seem to recall the stolen gun percentage was pretty high. So firearm theft is more than just stolen property. It's probably future crime (which is a kind of Orwellian, if one thinks of precrime) but facts support stolen guns being highly involved with subsequent actual offenses. So I think mandatory, non-negotiable minimum sentences for firearm theft is worth considering. Especially in the case of multiple firearm heists. I'd say 2-5 years minimum, adding 5 for each additional gun.
If the cops hadn't got lucky and spotted the perp vehicle driving away from the scene, most if not all of those would be out in the hands of other criminals. Would be nice if the media made a big deal out of it: "steal a gun to to jail, and here's 4 losers that are headed for the pokey"
One would think a felon would avoid a gun like kryptonite. Unless they feel the odds of then getting caught and convicted again are low. Or they just don't think ahead to consequences for actions.
Most if not all of those guns would have gone into circulation for more crime. So 32 stolen guns could arguably end up in an equal or greater number of crimes. Possibly including a murder or two, depending on which city they get sold in. I don't know the percentage of crimes committed with legal vs. stolen guns, but I seem to recall the stolen gun percentage was pretty high. So firearm theft is more than just stolen property. It's probably future crime (which is a kind of Orwellian, if one thinks of precrime) but facts support stolen guns being highly involved with subsequent actual offenses. So I think mandatory, non-negotiable minimum sentences for firearm theft is worth considering. Especially in the case of multiple firearm heists. I'd say 2-5 years minimum, adding 5 for each additional gun.
If the cops hadn't got lucky and spotted the perp vehicle driving away from the scene, most if not all of those would be out in the hands of other criminals. Would be nice if the media made a big deal out of it: "steal a gun to to jail, and here's 4 losers that are headed for the pokey"
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:07 am to TheGenyus
Guaranteed to be less time than a conservative who owns an 80% lower will get
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