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re: How much money do people need to retire?

Posted on 2/28/24 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 7:51 pm to
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What would be the minimum $ to retire comfortably?


Between 1-2 million in investments where the quarterly interest/dividends plus SS pay your bills and be mostly debt free
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:56 am to
Yeah. Some other options include Costa Rica, Portugal, Malta and Georgia. (The former soviet state) I watched videos on COL and crime rates there. Plus very easy to get TR.
But being so close to Russia seems scary.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15679 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:24 am to
If your house and car are paid for and you have insurance for long term care and medical, I would say around 1.5 million should be sufficient.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17503 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:08 am to
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If your house and car are paid for and you have insurance for long term care and medical, I would say around 1.5 million should be sufficient.


If you have kids on the younger side, that may not be enough
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4142 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:45 am to
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This might be more of a question for the Money Talk board but, assuming ur a financial advisor or the like- where do you have that guy’s $625k iin cash parked ? obviously you can make 4 or 5 % right now in a savings acct, though that can change in the next couple years.. or in an annuity or similar ? Just curious cause you said liquid, but i guess that could include CDs (?)




All this cash is invested in high dividend yielding stocks and iras. Passive income is probably 34k ish a year currently.


This is just beginning for him so he has tons of options. I've just never seen something this solid. Like I said he's making close to 10k in pension pay monthly before social security kicks in for him coming in the next 4 months.

He has a decade roughly before mandatory withdrawal.

The big question is if he should sell the 2nd property which was used to house family and kids while they were in school or had a job and needed somewhere to live for a while. There is no need for this property anymore as everyone has grown up.


This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 6:46 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70922 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:03 am to
I really wouldn’t mind Mexico. There are expat communities all over the place, apparently. My end goal is to be closer to the water.

Never thought about Georgia, will look into that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260863 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:04 am to
Need? Very little.

Want? Totally different. But I can survive on little.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22435 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:07 am to
My required monthly expenses are under 3,000 (this includes food). So the inflation adjusted equivalent of that. I’d like to have (and am pretty well set up to do so) 6,000+.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3474 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:23 am to
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I really wouldn’t mind Mexico. There are expat communities all over the place, apparently. My end goal is to be closer to the water. Never thought about Georgia, will look into that.



Look into Thailand.. certain members of this board will come at me with great vengeance and furious anger for even bringing it up, but that’s ok, i can take it… Thailand has great weather, terrific infrastructure, friendly people, super low cost of living in most cities, and the consistently best food ive ever had outside of South Louisiana .. not just the local Thai food, but other ethnic cuisines as well… Perhaps most importantly , their health care system is state of the art, with modern hospitals and cutting edge care- for literally a fraction of the cost of the American healthcare scam… Please dont take my word for it, feel free to research it yourself .



Downside is the flight to get there, or to any part of Asia- is absolutely brutal.. i hate the inconvenience and hassle of flying generally, but i suck it up b/c it’s worth it .
Posted by rd280z
Richmond
Member since Jan 2007
2311 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:42 am to
Many variables to think about especially your health. Health care costs can break a wealthy person pretty quickly. There is never enough $.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70922 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:07 am to
Thailand would absolutely be on the list for all the reasons you listed. My biggest concern as you pointed out is logistics. I would like to be close enough to home to get back easily to see my parents, attend weddings, funerals etc.

Not that it’s impossible to do from Thailand, but as you mentioned, it’s just brutal and takes some planning.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260863 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:10 am to
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Look into Thailand.. certain members of this board will come at me with great vengeance and furious anger


Only because of your interests there. Nothing more.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:52 am to
Every penny and then some. Just in free time alone a healthy retired person is going to spend more that they'd think they would in most cases.

Also most of the calculators people use are woefully out of whack...they'd lead you to believe you are going to starve to death if you retirement income is not at least 75% of your salary. That's not close to what most people manage to live on retirement and live pretty good. If you plan to travel and do stuff you have not done while working that number is probably low but if you merely plan to travel a little and pretty much live like you do on weekends while working it can be done for much less.

I have a buddy, single, owns his home, who retired last year. His last year of employment he made about $130K. 75% of that is about $95K. He is living pretty damn good on about $3500 a month. He ain't going to Europe and buying a villa but he is fishing about 5 days a week and has been to Alaska twice and fishes in the panhandle of Florida a couple of days a month since retiring. Says he hasn't touched his retirement savings. My dad has been retired for about 22 years and has never had more than about 30% of what he would have earned working. He doesn't globe trot but he pretty much does whatever he wants and is able to do. Have another friend in the same boat and he is fully satisfied with his lifestyle on about 30% of his wages were he still working.

Most people don't do the things they dream of doing in retirement while working not because of money but because they really don't want to do it that bad.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
17048 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:53 am to
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How much money do people need to retire?


Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:01 am to
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My 401k has gone up a bit but nowhere near 2mil


Not a popular sentiment because retirement savings is all we got but we were sold a bill of goods when the move away from defined pensions occurred. Some of us knew it was a shitty deal but the promises of a culture of ownership and riches beyond imagination were too good to pass up...and too good to be true. My wife and I have maxed ours out for about 20 years now, not just maxed out to what employers would match but maxed out what the IRS allows. All of our accounts have averaged around 8-12% over the years. If were retired today and that money never earned another penny it would match about 4 years of our current earnings. Luckily she has a helluva defined pension and I have 3 small ones that will pay us about 40% of our current salaries. Toss in SS and we will be close to 60% without touching that money which is what we will live on regardless. I have discovered over the years it does not matter if I make a dollar or $10 Im going to need about a dollar and a dime or 11 bucks...we will live the same way in retirement.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:06 am to
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Yeah early retirement seems super inefficient but I’m also young (33) and can’t rely on Medicare being a thing when I retire either





Early retirement ain't as appealing as the brochure makes it look. I sold a small business in 2007 at 42 and had enough money to retire if we didn't just go wild. I lasted exactly 14 months before I was bored out of my mind. We were living in Europe and I was traveling and spending my days in coffee shops and beer gardens and hunting and fishing all over central Europe. It was fun, for about 8 months, got tedious for a few months after that and damn near unbearable until I went back to work. I like working, however. Always have, always will. I have never been in a position where my job was unbearable for long until I made a change. If that weren't true I probably would still think I wanted to retire early. I tried it, it wasn't for me.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65740 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:07 am to
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Like I said he's making close to 10k in pension pay monthly before social security kicks in for him coming in the next 4 months.
He’s better off deferring taking Social Security at age 62 until he’s older because he has his other revenue coming in.

He’ll make ~8% more each year off the SS retirement benefit if he defers taking it past 62.

And there’s a nominal COLA added each year to it.

That assumes he’s in reasonable health.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3474 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:35 am to
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Look into Thailand.. certain members of this board will come at me with great vengeance and furious anger





Only because of your interests there. Nothing more.





As if right on cue.. .. Loser .


Lovely tropical weather up there where you live in Alaska, right chief ? And im sure you have ur pick of beautiful indigenous women lol.. And for all that, you are still subject to insane American healthcare scam prices.. unless of course you are over 65 and/or disabled, which would not surprise me in the least about you .





Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3474 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:39 am to
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Early retirement ain't as appealing as the brochure makes it look.




I lasted exactly 14 months before I was bored out of my mind.






Glad for you that you got to try it… I have always heard that there are two types of people in retirement : - Those who get bored like you did, need some type of ‘pupose’ and go back to work… - and those who are so busy and fulfilled in retirement with hobbies and travel and friends that they have no idea how they ever held down a fulltime job before they retired.. i know 100% that i am the second type, but thank goodness that we all like different things .
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45783 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:40 am to
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Here are Fidelity's age-based milestones you can use to track your progress:

By age 30: 1x your income

By age 40: 3x your income

By age 50: 6x your income

By age 60: 8x your income
And in the process of achieving these milestones are:

-Divorces and child support / alimony
-College for the children
-Weddings for female children
-On and on the list goes.

I would be right on track for age 60, but I'm 67 . Paying for a divorce and child support, plus college expenses for three kids, well, that forced me to put off retirement for longer than I anticipated, but nonetheless, we have over $2M in retirement savings and equity.

What I'm trying to decide is, retire now, and hang out my consulting shingle for Xtra income and write-offs, which means "semi-retired" but I keep a more expensive lifestyle, or work another few years at a slower pace, train others and help my employer expand their business and sock away another quarter-mill? My wife is ten years younger and plans to retire in about 5 years, so is it necessary to keep working, anyway? I would like to retire, play some golf, involve myself in politics and charities, restore a few classic cars, and enjoy the amount of life I have left.

My dad passed away at age 83, but was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at age 73. Between 65 and 76, he had prostate cancer (he beat it) and required a quintuple bypass and a pacemaker. His two brothers, my uncles, were all ages 2 years apart with my dad in the middle. They all passed away within six months of each other. My maternal grandparents passed at age 70 and 76 and my paternal grandparents passed at age 84 and 94. So their average age of death is 81 years old. However, my mom turns 90 this year and is still driving herself just fine and lives at home, so there's a blessing there, for sure. She's been retired since she turned 65. It's hard facts to consider as you age. You know it's coming, but when you plan for it is key. And as aI alluded to earlier, there's those pesky, unexpected money sucks that happen along the way.
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