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Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:08 am to Jim Rockford
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The timber market is shite right now
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:46 am to skinny domino
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The timber market is shite right now
What about Hardwood timber? Got a few hundred ac's that I need to do a select cut on. Been around 35 years from the last select cut. Was even thinking of clear cutting it due to the fact I don't use the land.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:52 am to MSTiger33
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Interesting article.
LINK
Paywall....
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:59 am to GeauxDoc
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Paywall....
MSN Version
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Thousands of Southerners Planted Trees for Retirement. It Didn't Work Out.
A glut of timber has piled up in the Southeast. There are far more ready-to-cut trees than the region’s mills can saw or pulp. The surfeit has crushed timber prices in Mississippi, Alabama and several other states.
It has been a big loser for some financial investors, among them the country’s largest pension fund. The California Public Employees’ Retirement System spent more than $2 billion on Southern timberland, and harvested trees at depressed prices to pay interest on money borrowed to buy. Calpers sold much of its land this summer at a loss. A spokeswoman for the pension fund declined to comment.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:00 am to fishfighter
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What about Hardwood timber
I've heard hardwood is just OK. Pine is in a glut right now because of everyone and their uncle thinking it was a good idea to plant pine plantations 30 years ago.
Hopefully you can get in touch with a forester you can trust to give better guidance.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:00 am to MSTiger33
We just lost a million acres in Georgia & it didn't bump the market a bit. 
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:23 am to rb
The last 5 years it seems like the only news is complaints about pine and how no one has enough acreage for any logger to worry about.
So my 2 questions are, what is the minimum acreage a logger would want to go from a decent job to a good job? 50, 100, 200+?
What is considered ‘good’ prices?
Frankly, $2500/ acre seems good to me but I have absolutely no idea. $5,000 for a pine clear cut when 100 good acres of solid pine brings $500k seems damn good. There’s places you can find 100 acres for $1500-2000 acre. If the land appreciated due to location whose fault is that?
So my 2 questions are, what is the minimum acreage a logger would want to go from a decent job to a good job? 50, 100, 200+?
What is considered ‘good’ prices?
Frankly, $2500/ acre seems good to me but I have absolutely no idea. $5,000 for a pine clear cut when 100 good acres of solid pine brings $500k seems damn good. There’s places you can find 100 acres for $1500-2000 acre. If the land appreciated due to location whose fault is that?
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 7:26 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:10 am to deltaland
What all is pine timber used for mostly?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:15 am to TOSOV
Framing lumber other lumber.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:15 am to fishfighter
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What about Hardwood timber?
There are several places in East Texas that I got $70 a ton for over the summer.
Sweet gum, oak, ash etc. Cut it myself and delivered it on a flatbed. They cut it up and make pallets for oil fields and such.
Where are you located?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:16 am to ccomeaux
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Call Rob Frazier in Amite La
You need a forester to know for sure and not get raked by the lumber company
Good people.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:17 am to fishfighter
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What about Hardwood timber?
The recent appraisal I got valued hardwood sawlogs equal to pine sawlogs. $45/ton
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:21 am to fishfighter
quote:Where at?
What about Hardwood timber? Got a few hundred ac's that I need to do a select cut on. Been around 35 years from the last select cut. Was even thinking of clear cutting it due to the fact I don't use the land.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:22 am to fishfighter
Thx.
I guess i'm wondering if the govt convinced/subsidized these farms 25+yrs ago, to cover future paper needs, but the tech/electronic push during that period countered it.
I guess i'm wondering if the govt convinced/subsidized these farms 25+yrs ago, to cover future paper needs, but the tech/electronic push during that period countered it.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:37 am to fishfighter
Hardwood timber is okay. Doesn't fluctuate too wildly throughout the year like pine.
Unless there were a lot of undesirables, we never recommended to clear cut hardwoods. They are just too hard to plant and maintain, and take too long to reach maturity compared to pines. Select cut, and leave the right seed trees. Luckily for you, there are plenty of mills around your area (and plenty of loggers).
I can give you the names of some foresters I used to work with if you want them to come check it out. One of the best loggers in the state is right up the road from you
Unless there were a lot of undesirables, we never recommended to clear cut hardwoods. They are just too hard to plant and maintain, and take too long to reach maturity compared to pines. Select cut, and leave the right seed trees. Luckily for you, there are plenty of mills around your area (and plenty of loggers).
I can give you the names of some foresters I used to work with if you want them to come check it out. One of the best loggers in the state is right up the road from you
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:26 am to deltaland
Depends how close the mill are to you. Fingers crossed they are close
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:31 am to deltaland
I live in SW Mississippi and logging activity is higher than I’ve seen in awhile. I’m not sure what the driver is but there is a tract of 196 acres about 5 miles from me that was cleared in the last week. Either pines must be bringing something to they were in a bind financially.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:35 am to Hammertime
We had hardwoods selectively cut in east TN two years ago.
Payout was best for some trunks that were good enough for veneer. Really good.
Talk to your foresters about how much longer, what's the risk of continuing to let your hardwoods grow as potential veneer logs.
Payout was best for some trunks that were good enough for veneer. Really good.
Talk to your foresters about how much longer, what's the risk of continuing to let your hardwoods grow as potential veneer logs.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:51 am to pdubya76
I posted a link on the last page, but pine pulpwood in LA went down 19% last quarter. The other pine stuff didn't have too significant of a drop. If it was clearcut, it was probably 23 years old or more, and ready to be rotated. There are several mills in the area, so plenty of options to sell your shite
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