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re: How insane were Douglas McArthur and Curtis LeMay?
Posted on 10/13/18 at 12:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 10/13/18 at 12:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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of using nuclear weapons in a non total war scenario
This is the problem.
We stopped waging war as a total war and started with this bogus path we’re on today worrying about the other country’s people. I’m all for reducing needless casualties but there’s a certain fear factor from being carpet bombed every night.
When you’re at war with country X, you wage tots war on Country X until they surrender.
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Posted on 10/13/18 at 12:58 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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quote: No way we would have been able to do this. We were counting on the USSR participating in the land invasion of Japan.
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The exact opposite. We didn't want any Soviet involvement in the Pacific so they couldn't make any post-war claims there.
Huh? From Wiki:
At 11 pm Trans-Baikal time on August 8, 1945, Soviet foreign minister Molotov informed Japanese ambassador Sato that the Soviet Union had declared war on Japan.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 1:00 pm to brass2mouth
That works if your objective is to exterminate all of your enemies. It makes things a little more difficult if you want to live in the world you made afterwards.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 1:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It was a very different time.
Would a dem president drop two nukes on civilian targets in this day and age? Think about it.
Would a dem president drop two nukes on civilian targets in this day and age? Think about it.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 2:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Damn gaucho doing work in this thread 
Posted on 10/13/18 at 2:39 pm to Peazey
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It makes things a little more difficult if you want to live in the world you made afterwards.
No. It makes people realize that you mean business and will break if off in their asses so they don’t mess with you.
I’m not advocating for total world domination, but if someone fricks with us, they should feel the ungloved wrath.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 3:31 pm to brass2mouth
No, it makes people hate you and put forward all efforts they can in bringing you down. You put forward mutually assured destruction in practice. Unless you value life so cheaply, which you obviously do, and you just want to kill absolutely everyone at any cost. Which is psychopathic. But people who live on the other side of the world aren't really human so what does it matter anyway.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 3:35 pm to Ghost Hog
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MacArthur would have been Supreme Allied Commander in WWII had he not retired to the Philippines for a few years before the War.
While he wasn't the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, he was in charge of all Allied forces in the South Pacific from 1942-1945. His overall area of responsibility was much larger than that of Eisenhower.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 5:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
he wanted Truman to use 20-50 atomic bombs on Chinese cities. He was a tyrant. And the only good thing Truman ever did in his presidency was fire him.
Check out The Other Side of History Podcast. The Truman episode goes over this pretty accurately
Check out The Other Side of History Podcast. The Truman episode goes over this pretty accurately
Posted on 10/13/18 at 5:18 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Good thing the Japs didn't know we didn't have a third one
The third one was in route to a base ready to drop with 12 more ready to ship with in weeks.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 6:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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"Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards
Because were to politically correct in the halls of government, and not adhering to this type of philosophy, is why weve been in Afghanistan for 17 years and counting.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 10:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Interesting....,,
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General MacArthur's Warning To The Nations Of Earth ... the nations of Earth must soon "make a common front against attack by people from other planets". The next war, he warned, would be an interplanetary one
Posted on 10/14/18 at 8:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Also in retrospect even as terrible as Stalin was, the Nazis were worse.
Disagree here. Stalin killed millions more people, carried out a genocide (the Holodomor), and was plotting the extermination of the USSR's Jewish population at the time of his death.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 10:05 am to Peazey
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No, it makes people hate you and put forward all efforts they can in bringing you down.
Oh really? The Japanese hate us? The Germans hate us?
Posted on 10/14/18 at 12:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Both decorated combat veterans.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 12:42 pm to Skeezer
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he wanted Truman to use 20-50 atomic bombs on Chinese cities. He was a tyrant. And the only good thing Truman ever did in his presidency was fire him.
Yeah...and look where the Korean peninsula is today. Hundreds of thousands live in concentration camps in the North and people die there every day. The threat of war is constantly looming along the DMZ and a nuclear and every-strengthening China allows the status quo to be maintained.
Tens of thousands of Americans died in a war that literally resulted in nothing. Had we taken the gloves off and let World War III begin in Korea instead of immediately trying to find a way out of the conflict, things would be totally different right now (and probably for the better).
Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No. Kennedy and Truman were for not listening to these nutjobs.
Truman was the one who authorized Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I absolutely have no issues at all if nukes were used in response to a nuke attack. In fact, if they were not used, I'd be pissed off.
You seem to talk about the bad things, radiation, millions of deaths, etc. Do you prefer the alternative which would be millions of slaves in the event of a hostile takeover of US?
Posted on 10/15/18 at 1:39 pm to mofungoo
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Huh? From Wiki:
At 11 pm Trans-Baikal time on August 8, 1945, Soviet foreign minister Molotov informed Japanese ambassador Sato that the Soviet Union had declared war on Japan.
The United States didn't want the USSR jumping in the Pacific war last minute after the Japanese had already effectively been beaten and expanding the purview of their Communist empire. The invasion of Japan was not designed with any reliance on Soviet manpower. Many historians believe that the rapid use of the atomic bombs, when the scheduled start of Olympic was still several months out, were in part motivated by bringing the war to its earliest possible conclusion and preventing the Soviets from grabbing up territory from the Japanese Empire while it was steadily collapsing.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 2:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
Would a dem president drop two nukes on civilian targets in this day and age?
--yes, if the target was a conservative state
--yes, if the target was a conservative state
Posted on 10/15/18 at 3:16 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:What an odd interpretation given the fact that LeMay (in the quote from the OP) actually says that public opinion in the country was the opposite of what you say. Oh well. Just another low-information voter spouting nonsense.
They come from a time when American lives meant more than anyone else. In today's world we treat all human life pretty much the same.
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