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re: How do you feel about seat belt laws?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 12:58 pm to Warfarer
Posted on 4/16/17 at 12:58 pm to Warfarer
2 were on black ice in Colorado and Wyoming. If you've never experienced black ice there is basically no way to detect or avoid it.
The first I explained. The third I fell asleep at the wheel driving home from offshore after not sleeping for 3 days.
They're called accidents for a reason, they usually aren't intentional.
One of my best friends from school was ejected from a truck the same as me and even on the same highway a few miles from the accident I was in. The vehicle landed on him and he died. He would still be alive today if he had been wearing his seatbelt. The driver who fell asleep has had to deal with that his entire life.
You have your opinion which I respect but I don't have to agree and unlike you I can keep the discussion civil.
How about infants? You strap them in when you drive? Or does that also go against your agenda?
The first I explained. The third I fell asleep at the wheel driving home from offshore after not sleeping for 3 days.
They're called accidents for a reason, they usually aren't intentional.
One of my best friends from school was ejected from a truck the same as me and even on the same highway a few miles from the accident I was in. The vehicle landed on him and he died. He would still be alive today if he had been wearing his seatbelt. The driver who fell asleep has had to deal with that his entire life.
You have your opinion which I respect but I don't have to agree and unlike you I can keep the discussion civil.
How about infants? You strap them in when you drive? Or does that also go against your agenda?
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 1:09 pm
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:10 pm to redstick13
Infants should ride on the hood or in the bed of the truck. Duh.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:10 pm to redstick13
His theory is that only adults should enjoy the civil liberty of choosing to wear a seatbelt or not.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:15 pm to DCtiger1
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His theory is that only adults should enjoy the civil liberty of choosing to wear a seatbelt or not.
My theory is that someone under 18 can't make legal decision and are considered minors for a reason. If you have a kid under 18 then you are their legal guardian and make decisions for them, or at least you should make decisions that are in their best interests even though most parents would rather be their kid's friend than parent.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:17 pm to Warfarer
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. so you bounced around in the cab helplessly, you didn't fly out of the window and fly 60' while wiping out other people?
LSP told me after the accident the only thing that prevented me from being ejected sooner was the fact it was winter time and I was wearing a heavy coat. The coat caught on enough things in the cab to delay my ejection out the rear window and then it got caught on the rear window. I keep that coat as a reminder of how close I came to death.
You want to take what you feel is a small risk to exercise your rights that's fine by me.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:18 pm to redstick13
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You have your opinion which I respect but I don't have to agree and unlike you I can keep the discussion civil.
how am I not being civil? by saying that someone that has been in a bunch of accidents is a shitty driver? It is the truth. At some point accidents are no longer accidents.
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One of my best friends from school was ejected from a truck the same as me and even on the same highway a few miles from the accident I was in. The vehicle landed on him and he died. He would still be alive today if he had been wearing his seatbelt. The driver who fell asleep has had to deal with that his entire life.
I'm sorry you had this happen but you can't say for certain that he would be alive or not if he had been wearing a seatbelt. Anything else could have happened. Is it more likely that he would have survived, most likely.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:23 pm to weagle99
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Infants should ride on the hood or in the bed of the truck. Duh.
I know you're being sarcastic but I remember riding in the back of my grandfather's truck on his farm as a small kid. fricking hell I would lose my shite if my son did that today.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:25 pm to AU24
Depending on type of wreck a seatbelt can keep you in driver seat to possibly control the vehicle. Also if you eject from vehicle a seatbelt keeps you from becoming a human missile into someone else's car. I've worked a fatality and serious injury of people who had a person ejected from another vehicle hit their car.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:27 pm to windshieldman
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windshieldman
Checks out
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:28 pm to redstick13
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I would lose my shite if my son did that today.
Why? You survived that slow speed off road adventure.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:30 pm to redstick13
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Checks ou
Windshields are a side job
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:34 pm to windshieldman
quote:I'm sure it does, but I'm sure you have almost a better chance getting struck by lightening then becoming a missile that directly causes another person to get in a wreck and injured.... just seems a little much
Also if you eject from vehicle a seatbelt keeps you from becoming a human missile into someone else's car.
And to the people with the insurance premiums and tax payers paying logic, id like to see some numbers on how much they think it increases.
Should we start policing everything more harshly that could possibly cause injury that burdens tax payers? I bet if we sat down we could think of hundreds of more things causing higher healthcare.
Don't even know how you would quantify it. is it worth eroding liberties?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:39 pm to SuperSaint
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I'm sure it does, but I'm sure you have almost a better chance getting struck by lightening then becoming a missile that directly causes another person to get in a wreck and injured.... just seems a little much
Well I know I worded it wrong and made it sound singular. I've worked 2 different wrecks with this. One was a single fatality, other was fatality and serious injury from same car. A guy got ejected and hit windshield of car behind him. I've personally been in a wreck being hit from behind as a passenger where driver was wearing a seatbelt and stayed secured in seat to keep us from hitting some big arse live oaks at a high rate of speed. More times than you think someone not wearing a seatbelt only affects that particular person. Or is it effects?
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:39 pm to weagle99
Nah but just thinking back to how cavalier we were back in those times. We lost a golden retriever who fell out the back of our truck on the farm. It's crazy to think what was considered acceptable behavior 20 years ago. shite all of us kids wanted to ride in the back of the truck all the time. Most of those times were on 55 mph highways.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:49 pm to SuperSaint
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Don't even know how you would quantify it. is it worth eroding liberties?
I know the discussion is now focused on this and that's fine by me. I'm all for people having the freedom to do what the frick they want.
You're a smart guy and I'd like to believe that you believe you have a much better chance of surviving a car accident strapped in. Yes you had a lucky experience but the odds are stacked against you in the long run.
For me it all comes down to one simple thing. Would I ever allow my 9 month old son to ride in a vehicle not restrained?
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 1:56 pm to redstick13
quote:all this... but is it worth it? The cost to the public to police it and all that Jazz.
You're a smart guy and I'd like to believe that you believe you have a much better chance of surviving a car accident strapped in. Yes you had a lucky experience but the odds are stacked against you in the long run.
If I'm riding down the block to the corner store and never going over 20mph, I get taxed the same on a ticket as if I was merging on to I10 in 70mph traffic....
What's the cost of time and man power to have cops worried about grown adults making a decision to wear a seatbelt when they feel the need or not? Children not withstanding obviously.
It's the argument with helmets on motercycles. Wear a helmet and be in a vegetable state the rest of you right life, don't and have your brains splattered on the road.... I think that's up to an adult to choose.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 2:04 pm to redstick13
quote:And you're the one arguing for others' safety?
The third I fell asleep at the wheel driving home from offshore after not sleeping for 3 days
Posted on 4/16/17 at 2:21 pm to SuperSaint
I see your point and I agree with you on principle.
Unfortunately we have a large population of stupid arse people who aren't capable of exercising common sense like us.
Let's take for instance the new trend of kids baking in cars because parents leave them locked inside for hours while shopping or with their side piece. Do we really need a law that you shouldn't leave your kid in a car in 100+ degree confined space?
It's a complicated subject that none of us will unilaterally agree with. Freedom of choice versus safety of the public. It's unfortunate with the seatbelt law that it has been abused to pull people over with the hope of finding something bigger.
Unfortunately we have a large population of stupid arse people who aren't capable of exercising common sense like us.
Let's take for instance the new trend of kids baking in cars because parents leave them locked inside for hours while shopping or with their side piece. Do we really need a law that you shouldn't leave your kid in a car in 100+ degree confined space?
It's a complicated subject that none of us will unilaterally agree with. Freedom of choice versus safety of the public. It's unfortunate with the seatbelt law that it has been abused to pull people over with the hope of finding something bigger.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 2:31 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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And you're the one arguing for others' safety?
I was in transit from a job in Venice direct to one in Sabine Pass. Companies didn't always have journey management rules.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 2:33 pm to redstick13
Pull over and go to sleep. You're endangering people. I mean, you're not doing something crazy dangerous like not wearing a seatbelt and making yourself a human missile but driving without sleeping for 72 hours can cause problems.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 2:34 pm
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