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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:17 am to WDE24
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:17 am to WDE24
quote:Scruffy has had one of the saddest persona turns in TD history.
Scruffy needs to go back to not following politics. Scruffy was a better poster when he wasn’t focused on politics.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:20 am to shel311
quote:Well, it wouldn’t help to curb the underlying issue.
This may not make much sense but I think the reason we see these types of shootings much more than other like countries is because of our relaxed gun laws comparably, but banning guns are making the laws much stricter wouldn't really help to curb this issue.
People, like the little freak who did this, exist in every society on earth, in increasing numbers.
This chode simply had the means to act.
Figuring out how to and addressing the underlying cause would make for an infinitely more healthy human community.
Is that possible?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:20 am to Tiger1242
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What I want to discuss is how we can change society to where we don’t breed people like this? Now I’m not saying mass shooters and crazy people didn’t exist in the past, but it is clearly more prevalent now than ever. What can we as Americans do to fix our society so that we don’t raise any more of these lunatics?
The correct answer is to change the background colors of Facebook profiles to show support and to use hashtags such as #PrayForUvalde.
Otherwise how else will anyone know I truly care?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:21 am to shel311
quote:
Scruffy has had one of the saddest persona turns in TD history.
Scruffy has also aged 10 years since he’s been on here and life has been stressful at times.
Get off his back!
ETA: 2012 was a long time ago. Damn.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:22 am to Sun God
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Salmon admonishing posters for talking about politics is high comedy
Salmon hasn't even spoken out on Florida's don't say gay bill
Salmon your silence IS political
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:22 am to Scruffy
quote:I agree 100%, but honest question, why is the random mass shootings then happen so much more here compared to other developed countries?
People, like the little freak who did this, exist in every society on earth, in increasing numbers.
quote:What are the means that these chodes do not have in other countries that makes this occur less often?
quote:But what is that underlying cause?
Figuring out how to and addressing the underlying cause would make for an infinitely more healthy human community.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:23 am to Scruffy
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Prohibition has never worked in the US.
Too many drugs, crazy people, victimization, demonization, polarization, rationalization
Society is very ill. Until that changes, nothing else will.
quote:
but banning guns are making the laws much stricter wouldn't really help to curb this issue
Prohibition has never worked in the US.
Too many drugs, crazy people, victimization, demonization, polarization, rationalization
Society is very ill. Until that changes, nothing else will.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:23 am to Scruffy
quote:A glimpse of old Scruffy, old Scruffy is still in there somewhere!!!
Scruffy has also aged 10 years since he’s been on here and life has been stressful at times.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:26 am to ghost2most
I could sympathize with you until you said release every drug offender. They go hand in hand for the most part.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:29 am to shel311
quote:Oh, it’s definitely the availability of firearms.
I agree 100%, but honest question, why is the random mass shootings then happen so much more here compared to other developed countries?
In other countries, they likely just commit suicide. Look at Japan, where adolescent social disconnection is significantly worse.
They just take their own lives.
American culture also has a much more prevalent social ideal of “wanting to be remembered” that isn’t seen in other societies as often.
quote:Social disconnection to severe degrees, that had grown more prevalent as social media and tech connectivity has flourished, combined with a sense of “being remembered” that appeared post-Columbine.
But what is that underlying cause?
At least that is my opinion.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:30 am to Indefatigable
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It isn't the total solution, but we need to start prosecuting the people who ignore or fail to act on the signs these little psychopaths display.
I am not sure I recall one of these shootings where the perpetrator was a well adjusted and normal kid who had no history of psychopathic shite. There are always warning signs.
We also have to rework our mental health systems in this country. It used to be that people could be institutionalized for being fricking crazy. Not really the case anymore.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:30 am to Scruffy
Sorry, I didn’t mean to derail the discussion. To try to tie it back in, I think we need to understand that the media we consume affects our worldview significantly. If we consistently consume the outrage of the day political media (whether from the PT board, Reddit, MSM, etc.) it is going to change our worldview significantly. I argue not for the better. I’ve seen it happen to posters on this site. I have recognized it in myself at times.
To Scruffy’s point, if this technology That not only keeps this stuff in front of us nearly 24/7 and is designed to push narrative to us and keep us paying attention, has this affect on reasonable and intelligent adults with fully evolved brains, just imagine the impact on kids and teens.
To Scruffy’s point, if this technology That not only keeps this stuff in front of us nearly 24/7 and is designed to push narrative to us and keep us paying attention, has this affect on reasonable and intelligent adults with fully evolved brains, just imagine the impact on kids and teens.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:30 am to Tiger1242
The world is a fallen creation that is full of sin and evil, and it always will be until its end. I think the amount of evil will only continue to grow. Because of that, I don't think we can ever prevent these things from happening, at least not totally.
I hope we can encourage more people to seek mental health help when they need it. I think a lot of people still fail to look at mental illness as real illness, and that needs to change. We should encourage these people to get the help they need. Unfortunately, a lot of people like this kid come from family situations where they don't have parents to support them and encourage them to get help.
I hope we can encourage more people to seek mental health help when they need it. I think a lot of people still fail to look at mental illness as real illness, and that needs to change. We should encourage these people to get the help they need. Unfortunately, a lot of people like this kid come from family situations where they don't have parents to support them and encourage them to get help.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:31 am to shel311
quote:
A glimpse of old Scruffy, old Scruffy is still in there somewhere!!!
He is in there.
The OT is way more serious than it used to be though.
It is what the PT Board was 6-8 years ago.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 am to Scruffy
quote:Could be wrong but I think you and I are in 100% agreement here.
Oh, it’s definitely the availability of firearms.
In other countries, they likely just commit suicide. Look at Japan, where adolescent social disconnection is significantly worse.
They just take their own lives.
American culture also has a much more prevalent social ideal of “wanting to be remembered” that isn’t seen in other societies as often.
Availability to guns is the issue, but making stricter laws doesn't solve it because the availability in part has created a certain culture around it that would allow it to continue even if we enacted stricter laws. I think that's what you're saying as well.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 am to Scruffy
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Social disconnection to severe degrees,
Its a massive social disease, spread by technology and idleness. Neither are necessarily bad, its just most people cannot use them for their own benefit and do use them to their detriment.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:34 am to WDE24
quote:Exactly.
To Scruffy’s point, if this technology That not only keeps this stuff in front of us nearly 24/7 and is designed to push narrative to us and keep us paying attention, has this affect on reasonable and intelligent adults with fully evolved brains, just imagine the impact on kids and teens.
We all recognize the dangers. We know it is bad for us.
Hell, I stopped going to the PT Board and watching most of the political podcasts that I used to because it was affecting my mood.
Now, imagine that in the hands of an undeveloped minor.
It has already been shown to be terrible.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:But that happens in more countries than just the US.
Its a massive social disease, spread by technology and idleness.
I think Scruffy is on to something with the Columbine turning point where it's just a bunch of copy cats wanting to be remembered, kinda all born out of Columbine.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:35 am to shel311
It’s not just the availability that has created the culture. We have created the culture. We are so desensitized to fake and real violence on a societal level that our I’ll members of society sometimes take actions that they wouldn’t if they were in another culture. News, TV, movies, and music. Plus violent criminals get out of jail easily.
I’m not a religious person, and so don’t believe in any gods or any magic, but it’s fair to say nevertheless that we have a spiritual problem in this country.
I’m not a religious person, and so don’t believe in any gods or any magic, but it’s fair to say nevertheless that we have a spiritual problem in this country.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:37 am to Scruffy
quote:Funny thing for me, not that I frequent the PT board a ton compared to others, but I can honestly say the PT board is the only place I talk politics, save for 1 other much smaller message board I've been a member of for 20 years, but the poli thread there can go weeks without a post so it barely counts.
Hell, I stopped going to the PT Board and watching most of the political podcasts that I used to because it was affecting my mood.
But mainly, I can honestly say I never ever ever ever talk politics in my "real life" with anyone. When someone makes a comment, I just nod or say "yea" or whatever. I give absolutely nothing, I won't even remotely have a political conversation with family, friends, strangers or anyone in my day to day life.
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