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re: Houston to Dallas Bullet Train. It's happening!
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:25 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:25 am to LoveThatMoney
Transit facilities and airports
apples and oranges
The HSR would operate more as a Park N Ride facility than a city bus; however, where ever the station(s) are located, they will absolutely produce trip ends and need conventional transit access.
apples and oranges
The HSR would operate more as a Park N Ride facility than a city bus; however, where ever the station(s) are located, they will absolutely produce trip ends and need conventional transit access.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:28 am
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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Not in my back yard.
It's planned about 4 miles from my backyard.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:28 am to CharlesLSU
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Please tell me you are part of the due diligence and not some know-it-all, oil and gas engineer moonlighting as a Transit Planning expert
They have a presentation at a local high school to our neighborhood after we raised hell. They couldn't give a solid estimate of costs, revenues, anything. They think they can tap a market of commuters that they estimate to be something like 50,000 people a day going back and forth from Dallas to Houston. I just don't see it. The costs will be similar to that of an airline ticket. Even if it's less of a pain in the arse than flying, if your market is the weekend Dallas to Houston flyer and the daily commuter all while charging the same price as the airlines, you are limiting your clientele dramatically.
I think people will ride it a lot at first as a novelty. Then they'll get over it and in 10 years TCR will be struggling mightily. Unless they open more connections and not just in the Brazos Valley.
Color me very, very skeptical about the feasibility of this project.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:30 am to CharlesLSU
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Transit facilities and airports
apples and oranges
TCR's whole goal is to steal people away from the airlines. They've literally said that.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:31 am to LoveThatMoney
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Also, that's not really true. Airports were originally built in the middle of nowhere in most cities and several cities still have them in the middle of nowhere. Denver springs to mind.
Apples and Oranges.
Air travel currently knows no real alternative for long distance transport. An airport being another 20 minutes away isn't going to eliminate the market appeal as it would for surface transport like toll highways, rail, or hyperloops.
The book end of this high speed rail lines need to be in populated areas with a built-in market. That's why they are building it there.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:32 am to tigerinthebueche
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still have to get a shitton of cooperation from landowners.
No, they don't.
They'll be granted eminent domain power by the state and any landowners who won't sell them the right of way they need will have said right of way condemned in court using eminent domain. The bullet train people will in turn have to make whatever financial compensation the court orders, but it won't require any cooperation.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:32 am to LoveThatMoney
I do see where SW will take a hit on the rainbow flights, but I'd like to see exactly how much it is.
BTW, seriously, what do you do for a living?
BTW, seriously, what do you do for a living?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:34 am to LoveThatMoney
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TCR's whole goal is to steal people away from the airlines. They've literally said that.
And for shorter distance reg, they probably will....but they'll have to be more convenient than the airports with more efficient security checkpoints and less of a need for vast parking lots .
That's why they build rail stations in places where people actually live.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:35 am to goofball
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And when they have a viable route up and running with a capacity of riders that rival trains or buses, they'll move beyond being just a theoretical alternative to cars or high speed rail, which itself struggles to compete with air travel in this country.
I bet the same was said about trains in the 19th century.
This could be done if the country screwed it's head on right and quit wasting money on dumb items (will save that list for the poli-board)
We need to spend a crap load of money on infrastructure and space travel. That is how we MAGA. Time to leave the rest of the world behind.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:36 am to MSMHater
Ome would think this would a fantastic use of the hyper loop...
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:36 am to LoveThatMoney
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They think they can tap a market of commuters that they estimate to be something like 50,000 people a day going back and forth from Dallas to Houston. I just don't see it. The costs will be similar to that of an airline ticket. Even if it's less of a pain in the arse than flying, if your market is the weekend Dallas to Houston flyer and the daily commuter all while charging the same price as the airlines, you are limiting your clientele dramatically.
If it was the same cost as flying and I used that route weekly I would always take the train even if it would take 30 minutes longer. Especially if its a single route train that can turnaround without delays.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:37 am to DarthRebel
I agree with you 100% Darth.
First state to be able to be able to move hordes of human and material capital in less than an hour over vast lengths will win the game.
First state to be able to be able to move hordes of human and material capital in less than an hour over vast lengths will win the game.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:37 am to MSMHater
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The bullet train will take passengers from Houston to Dallas in 90 minutes, with one halfway stop in the Brazos Valley.
where in the BV? do they have a proposed route?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:37 am to goofball
It'll be more convenient and comfortable than flying because the security concern with airplanes is that they can be weaponized. You can't weaponize a train. You can blow it up, but not weaponize it.
Also space is planes is limited because they have to be able to fly. There's only so much space per plane to monitize. With a train you can give people the adequate seating room we're currently being denied by the airlines and if you need more seats on a given departure time you can just attach another car.
Also space is planes is limited because they have to be able to fly. There's only so much space per plane to monitize. With a train you can give people the adequate seating room we're currently being denied by the airlines and if you need more seats on a given departure time you can just attach another car.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:38 am to LoveThatMoney
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The costs will be similar to that of an airline ticket.
yup
as opposed to self-driving cars which will be the norm in ~5 years time; i just dont think these high-speed railways have much of a future especially when we have already invested so much into our current highway infrastructure
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:38 am to MSMHater
Well, I'm so glad they can't find anything better to spend 10-15 billion on. I mean, couldn't carry on without it.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:39 am to PrimeTime Money
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I see you're from Louisiana. I know you're used to your state not getting stuff done, but this is Texas.
Texas gets shite done.
This is a very true statement.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:40 am to rocket31
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as opposed to self-driving cars which will be the norm in ~5 years time; i just dont think these high-speed railways have much of a future especially when we have already invested so much into our current highway infrastructure
I can assure you it won't be less than or even equal to 5 years.
You won't see joe the plumber with a self driving car until the next decade at the earliest.
There are too many network security and infrastructure issues to deal with currently.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:41 am to MSMHater
Have they said what a RT cost would be?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:41 am to 50_Tiger
i mean, self-driving cars already exist so thats not true
i could go buy one right now in certain cities
i could go buy one right now in certain cities
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