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re: Hot take: Could you break the poverty cycle by offering free vasectomys?

Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by Houston Texas Tiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2004
1416 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:13 pm to
That combined with no tax breaks for more than 2 kids might work.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21709 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:17 pm to
I would be okay with paying them a couple thou.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:20 pm to
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I would be okay with paying them a couple thou.


The muslims and illegals aren't cutting shite off. How does this paying for sterilization align with the "we need to outproduce" line of thought held by some of the nation?
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13623 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:36 pm to
Got to do either sex. $5,000 a pop.

Nonreversable.

I would support my tax dollars doing that all day every day.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 3:59 pm to
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Whats the OT's thoughts? I bet a lot of low income men who don't want kids would line up for this.
I'll do you one better. If you get spade or neutered and have had no kids, you get $20,000 cash money. If you get spade or neutered and only had 2 kids or less, you get $10,000.

Also for food stamps, only give credit for 3 kids max, so Latisheecha won't have 10 kids to keep them checks coming in.

Maybe even offer more money to the section 8'ers.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42573 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:00 pm to
Planned Parenthood should offer both services
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71479 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:01 pm to
We already offer free condoms all over the place, and you see how well that's working out.
Posted by al_cajun
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2017
2442 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:25 pm to
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We already offer free condoms all over the place, and you see how well that's working out.

Yeah because who the frick likes having sex with condoms.
Posted by Theboot32
Member since Jan 2016
2435 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:29 pm to
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you want to have 12 kids, tax payers aint feeding you or paying your rent. go get a job because you arent being paid to not work and have babies all day while your man sells drug


So how do the kids survive? CPS take them? Then we are still paying for them anyway...

I love the thought, but it just doesn't work out economically, cost would be the same, if not more, because the govt would provide decent care, likely better than what the parents would
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25553 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:38 pm to
Bill Gates is trying his damnedest.

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$5,000 a pop.


more like a bag of weed.
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 4:42 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:43 pm to
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The males definitely do not want a whole bunch of kids they don't want to have to deal with all the different baby mamas.


You don't understand the culture and how it works the system. The more children a woman has the more money she gets, unlike those of us that work to support our children, them having more children is not accompanied with additional financial burden. The men have nothing to do with their kids, but will hit up the moms for money, the more "baby Mamas" the more places to get money, plus their is a pride/ bragging rights in how many kids they have fathered. My wife provided medical care to a lot of these kids and saw it all worked first hand. Getting a vasectomy or using birth control is equivalent to killing the golden goose.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64336 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:49 pm to
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ou don't understand the culture and how it works the system. The more children a woman has the more money she gets, unlike those of us that work to support our children, them having more children is not accompanied with additional financial burden. The men have nothing to do with their kids, but will hit up the moms for money, the more "baby Mamas" the more places to get money, plus their is a pride/ bragging rights in how many kids they have fathered. My wife provided medical care to a lot of these kids and saw it all worked first hand. Getting a vasectomy or using birth control is equivalent to killing the golden goos

My wife has worked with kids from similar situations. The kids are at gov funded daycare...while the mom stays at home with other kids.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9458 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 4:52 pm to
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So how do the kids survive? CPS take them? Then we are still paying for them anyway...

I love the thought, but it just doesn't work out economically, cost would be the same, if not more, because the govt would provide decent care, likely better than what the parents would


The secret is to take the children at birth. Adopt them out to pre-qualified parents. The ones who aren't selected for adoption go to boarding schools for academic education, social skills and vocational training. Most will come out well educated, well behaved and ready to be productive members of society. I'd rather pay for 18 years of molding a decent human being rather than paying to lock up a 20 year old hoodrat for the rest of his life.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14889 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:20 pm to
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I've been saying it for a while, but the biggest problem in this country is not that we have too many people from bad homes, but that we don't have enough people from good homes.




My first couple kids were attractive and intelligent, so we made a few more as a gift to society since most people like us are being outbred by undesirables by a significant margin.
Posted by DLauw
SWLA
Member since Sep 2011
6086 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:34 pm to
hypothetically speaking- If the Gov offered cash to convince folks to have the procedures, I see a lot of baby mammas in line with their children and consent forms all filled out and signed so they can get their kids "fixed" and collect that cash. Win/win maybe?
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14889 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:53 pm to
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The ones who aren't selected for adoption go to boarding schools for academic education, social skills and vocational training. Most will come out well educated, well behaved



You think children raised from birth by the government will be well-behaved?
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 5:55 pm to
So what happens to the kids?
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9458 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 6:17 pm to
I'm not talking about institutionalizing kids in system that is a penitentiary operating under a different name. There would be rules and discipline, but it would be applied in a caring and nurturing environment that emphasized success and rewarded it. I think a child that is raised "right" has a better chance at success in life than the product of an inner-city litter of neglected children.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14889 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:04 pm to
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There would be rules and discipline, but it would be applied in a caring and nurturing environment that emphasized success and rewarded



Can you give some examples of government-run programs that give you confdence it could produce anything close to this?
Posted by DBAG DREW
Member since Feb 2018
138 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:08 pm to
Planned Parenthood has been trying to give poor women free birth control since forever, but Republicans keep trying to defund it because their idiot base thinks the funding will go to abortions even though federal law prohibits the funds to be used for that.

We should be putting Planned Parenthood centers on every block in the hood and passing out birth control like candy. But like with everything, conservatives go out and vote against their interests.
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